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Old February 11th, 2015, 05:02 PM   #541
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Interesting story, thanks.

It's information like this that is making it harder to say that Manchester isn't the UK's 2nd City.
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Old February 11th, 2015, 05:16 PM   #542
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Interesting story, thanks.

It's information like this that is making it harder to say that Manchester isn't the UK's 2nd City.
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Old February 11th, 2015, 07:15 PM   #543
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The second city of the UK is obviously Pershore.
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Old February 11th, 2015, 07:37 PM   #544
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Well Manchester isn't the only city seeing companies relocating from London. The thing is 100,000 sq ft isn't even that much when you consider JLL has been appointed to head up a search for 350,000 sq ft in Brum. Some claim to second city

Manchester is overhyped, and Birmingham is going to have a much prettier city centre by the time HS2 comes. I'd expect us to overtake Manchester in tourist numbers among other things, Manchester city centre certainly is a bit dingy isn't it? There's no changing that without losing a lot of history
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It's got more history than '60s Birmingham.

I have this argument with a family member each time that he comes up from Brum, and he even admits Manchester will always win.

Can we please keep this forum to, well, Manchester Projects and Construction? Or is BlackCountryAl's postings on here about Birmingham and its development news going to become a monthly fixture on this thread?

Keep them here thanks: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1063

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Old February 11th, 2015, 08:26 PM   #546
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Well Manchester isn't the only city seeing companies relocating from London. The thing is 100,000 sq ft isn't even that much when you consider JLL has been appointed to head up a search for 350,000 sq ft in Brum. Some claim to second city

Manchester is overhyped, and Birmingham is going to have a much prettier city centre by the time HS2 comes. I'd expect us to overtake Manchester in tourist numbers among other things, Manchester city centre certainly is a bit dingy isn't it? There's no changing that without losing a lot of history
Are you kidding? Birmingham is horrendous... I'd be embarrassed to even be from there
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Old February 11th, 2015, 08:32 PM   #547
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Are you kidding? Birmingham is horrendous... I'd be embarrassed to even be from there
Did I say anything about what Birmingham is like now? Don't think so.
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Old February 11th, 2015, 08:37 PM   #548
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This isn't the UK Citytalk section guys, so lets keep it on topic.

I would kind of agree with BlackcountryAl that Manchester is more hyped, ie better promoted, by its city leaders than Birmingham/West Mids but that's not Manchester's fault, in fact it's a positive for them. Like it or not good marketing and promotion are essential to building the brand and perceived attractiveness of a city these days and if other cities in the English Midlands/North don't do that as well as Manchester then they need to up their game rather than criticising.

I'm not from either city but I know both quite well, they both have their strengths and both have far more potential than their current status and reputations (especially internationally where both are often seen as hellish ex-industrial rustbelt backwaters) would suggest.

Constantly sniping against each other about who is or isn't the distant second behind London isn't going to change the impression that they are mired in provincialism. In the same way people from Bolton or Dudley denying any connection with the Manc/Brum city regions is a negative thing for the influence and progress of the cities, both places have a lot of things in common and would be better served working together.
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Old February 11th, 2015, 08:44 PM   #549
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Manchester is overhyped, and Birmingham is going to have a much prettier city centre by the time HS2 comes. I'd expect us to overtake Manchester in tourist numbers among other things, Manchester city centre certainly is a bit dingy isn't it? There's no changing that without losing a lot of history
How embarrassing. You've already been given an infraction for trolling this thread, are you sure you want to risk it again?
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Old February 11th, 2015, 08:48 PM   #550
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It's got more history than '60s Birmingham.

I have this argument with a family member each time that he comes up from Brum, and he even admits Manchester will always win.

Can we please keep this forum to, well, Manchester Projects and Construction? Or is BlackCountryAl's postings on here about Birmingham and its development news going to become a monthly fixture on this thread?

Keep them here thanks: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1063

Just correcting things that need to be corrected.

And yeah we'll be constrained to our own sub forum while city talk is pasted with shit from your lot.

Back to Manchester anyway.
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Old February 11th, 2015, 09:48 PM   #551
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Manchester is overhyped, and Birmingham is going to have a much prettier city centre by the time HS2 comes. I'd expect us to overtake Manchester in tourist numbers among other things, Manchester city centre certainly is a bit dingy isn't it? There's no changing that without losing a lot of history
Birmingham will have a blander centre, because it can't escape its cycle of destruction that destroys some of its most interesting buildings!
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Old February 12th, 2015, 11:04 AM   #552
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This project is moving along slowly but surely at the moment....

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Old February 12th, 2015, 11:21 AM   #553
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It is a welcome fill-in but not very ambitious height wise for such a central location. I know the council said they wanted talls near the main transport nodes and this is clearly happening-Victoria/Deasngate/Oxford Road currently but this is Piccadilly and surely that merits building taller here?
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Old February 12th, 2015, 02:15 PM   #554
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It is a welcome fill-in but not very ambitious height wise for such a central location. I know the council said they wanted talls near the main transport nodes and this is clearly happening-Victoria/Deasngate/Oxford Road currently but this is Piccadilly and surely that merits building taller here?
I agree.

It's still not too late for them to reapply for planning permission. With so many skyscrapers proposed around the fringes of the city centre it seems barmy that such a prime site has a groundscraper being built on it
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A few snippets from a (very long) Guardian article about the road to Manchester's mayor, and secret negotiations between Leese and Bernstein (the city leaders) and Osborne (UK Chancellor of the Exchequer)




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In conversation, Bernstein fulsomely returns the compliment. “Osborne gets cities,” he says. “He gets Manchester. He gets the point.” To him the chancellor is a London politician who “knows the existing model is not working. By 2014 he could read the tea-leaves: Scottish devolution, the NHS and social care, skills, criminal justice, he looks at it all and sees it is bust.” As Osborne sees in Bernstein a shrewd navigator of a dysfunctional public sector, so Bernstein sees in Osborne a chancellor who can deliver.
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At the turn of 2014, Osborne was a politician under pressure. His party was in deep trouble in the north-west where, in the words of Liverpool’s mayor, Joe Anderson, “Tories are as rare as rocking-horse shit.” It was worsted by Ukip and its MPs were furious at ever more concessions being offered to Scotland, but denied to England. The last straw was the May local and European elections, with the Tories beaten into third place by Ukip and Labour. Osborne needed to do something dramatic, and in his own political backyard.

There now emerged into Osborne’s ken an economist called Jim O’Neill from a bank whose grotesque wealth makes Tory and Labour ministers alike go weak at the knees, Goldman Sachs. O’Neill had invented the acronyms Bric and Mint for developing world economies; he was also a Mancunian and one specialising in urban economics. In conversation with Osborne he portrayed cities not as outdated rust-buckets but as engines of growth. There was, he said, “a powerful correlation between the size of a city and the productivity of its inhabitants”. The top 600 world cities contained just 20% of global population, but they created 60% of global GDP. This was Osborne’s kind of talk.
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After the Tories lost the May elections, Osborne moved with remarkable speed. On 23 June he went to Manchester’s museum of science and technology to deliver a speech full of O’Neill phraseology. He eulogised the modern city: “People thought the internet might make physical location less important. But, in the modern knowledge economy, businesses and entrepreneurs want to flock together more than ever, to form clusters where they can learn from and spark off each other.” He noted “that once hollowed-out city centres are thriving again, with growing universities, iconic museums and cultural events, and with huge improvements to the quality of life.”

From this Osborne deduced the need for a “northern powerhouse”. He said, “London dominates more and more. That’s not healthy for our economy.” Aggressively referencing London’s mayor, Osborne called for a new civic leadership, based not on political parties but on elected mayors.
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Osborne told his Manchester audience, “Today I am starting the conversation about a serious devolution of powers and budgets” to northern cities. This offer would be open “only to any city that wants to move to a new model of city government – and have an elected mayor”. When Labour HQ called its Manchester leader, Richard Leese, and asked him to bad-mouth Osborne’s speech, he is said to have told them to get lost, with an expletive. The “northern powerhouse” was already looking suspiciously like Manchester.
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Negotiations over the Manchester deal – or “devoManc” as it came to be called – would continue through the summer. Bernstein was in London three, sometimes four, days a week “until I felt I was living there”. He was told to operate in secret, dealing only with Kingman and his planning director, David Silk, with no distribution of papers. Alongside him he engaged another Mancunian economist and friend of O’Neill’s, Mike Emmerich, who ran a local thinktank, New Economy. Emmerich happened also to be a former Treasury and Downing Street official and could “speak Kingman’s language”.

Bernstein, liaising constantly with his leader, Leese, decided to bid high. He chose to embrace an entire portfolio of Whitehall activities: transport regulation, strategic planning, housing development, further education, skills training, economic growth. The city would control Whitehall’s local £500m apprenticeship budget and its £200m housing budget. It would oversee the sensitive interface between NHS commissioning agencies and local social services. The newly elected police commissioner, Labour’s Tony Lloyd, would go, replaced by the mayor.
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Gambling on Osborne’s known weakness for glamour projects, Bernstein tossed one after another into the pot. There was One North’s £15bn transport infrastructure plan, including a high-speed rail link, “HS-3”, from Manchester to Leeds – reportedly even more extravagant than the proposed high speed rail link, HS2. There was a Metrolink tram extension to the airport, a £250m centre for materials science, even a new £78m arts centre on the old Granada site at Castlefields. Initially called Manchester International, this was changed, to Osborne’s eager approval, to The Factory, in honour of Manchester’s music king, Tony Wilson.

Most of the city’s new powers were regulatory. They did not include big budget items such as secondary education, welfare payments or the NHS. But never before in England had Whitehall been asked to surrender so much control over a local public sector, not even in London. Bernstein’s bid was dramatic, a programme for a municipal corporation reborn. In the end he got everything he asked for.
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In the last week of October, Osborne summoned Leese, Smith of Wigan and Anstee of Trafford to the Treasury and personally insisted on a mayoralty. They tried to persuade him to call the mayor “leader”, but he laughed it off. Bernstein’s way of keeping the mayor under control might be constitutionally baroque, but as Osborne told Bernstain, “I know your record, so I will live with your model.” They shook hands on the deal.

The following Monday, 3 November, the principals re-assembled in Manchester’s council chamber for the formal signing. That evening Heseltine, acting as non-participant cheerleader for the deal, went to Manchester University and declared that “English devolution is now unstoppable”.
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Labour was nonplussed. It could hardly oppose a deal reached by its senior civic bosses. It responded with a report from its cities spokesman, Lord Adonis, broadly based on the 2013 Travers study. The party’s policy chief, Jon Cruddas, himself an ardent localist, was reduced to accusing Osborne of making “an audacious land grab” for the north-west.
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Osborne calls the Manchester deal “the thing of which I think I am most proud”. Bernstein was the kind of public servant he craved in Whitehall. It was as if the older man had become a sort of mentor, schooled in the dark arts of public administration. The chancellor would chide his officials, “Why does nobody come up with ideas for getting things done like Howard does.”
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Previously the core cities [outside Manchester] had stood aloof from London, regarding it as a wildcat for having an elected mayor. In November they swallowed their pride and joined with Johnson to lobby William Hague, appointed by Cameron to the near impossible task of placating Tory backbenchers with “English devolution”. They were too late. The core cities were ugly sisters at the Treasury ball, arriving after Cinderella Bernstein had already captured Prince Osborne’s heart. Osborne repeats that he is “longing for Manchester’s deal to spread”. But there was only one foot that fitted his slipper, and it belonged to Bernstein.
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Bernstein and Leese had tasted power. Determined not to be outflanked by other cities pushing the Scottish precedent, they opened a new flank on tax-raising powers. Even before the ink was dry on devoManc, Leese went public. “Our ultimate ambition,” he said, “is for full devolution of all public spending in greater Manchester.” That referred to the entire £22bn of state spending within his city region, including health and even welfare. He wanted to decide business rates and stamp duty. He even mooted taking over the NHS region, an act that would sensationally end Bevan’s concept of a “nationalised” health service.
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Old February 12th, 2015, 08:45 PM   #556
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Wow interesting read VDB, as we know Manchester certainly seems to be the UK`s favourite city for relocation, start ups and investment from both overseas and domestically, London apart.
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Planning app time had expired for this and it didn't end up being built but the developer has re applied for planning permission, the council have told them that they will no longer be receiving time extensions - it has to be built or they won't gain planning consent.

This is just another component in the growing office cluster that is St Peter's Square - with 1 St Peter's Square having completed construction last year, work about to start on 2 St Peter's Square, and proposed "Landmark" round the corner on Oxford St:





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