Technology and Scientific development of China - Page 4

dolyer · August 9th, 2006, 02:41 PM

何必又把印度扯上来,原来是比奥运会,现在再加上数学奥林匹克,中国的教育方式完全不同于西方,有大量的高强度练习,因为人多,竞争激烈,而在中国传统文化中,又对这种读书有极高的渴望,因为古代读书是与官职挂钩的,而其他地方是血缘继承爵位.由于中国这种高强度竞争,可能反而想得而得不到.读书被竞争搞的有些变形.

kelvinyang · August 9th, 2006, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dolyer

何必又把印度扯上来,原来是比奥运会,现在再加上数学奥林匹克,中国的教育方式完全不同于西方,有大量的高强度练习,因为人多,竞争激烈,而在中国传统文化中,又对这种读书有极高的渴望,因为古代读书是与官职挂钩的,而其他地方是血缘继承爵位.由于中国这种高强度竞争,可能反而想得而得不到.读书被竞争搞的有些变形.

No Competition No Progress.

dolyer · August 9th, 2006, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kelvinyang

No Competition No Progress.

问题就是,这种竞争只是增加熟练度,可能让人无法增强独创性.所以中国现在强调创造性等.中国的这些是高强度训练各种定式,和奥运会那种封闭式的训练非常相似,其实整个东亚区基本上都有这种趋向.

有人就提出问题,说中国虽然数学奥运会金牌很多,但是数学大奖却比较少,当然这个有大师氛围的原因,这种高强度训练有可能挫伤本身对数学的兴趣,就像艺术一旦商业化,虽然引入了竞争,但是反而可能变了.

wigo · August 9th, 2006, 03:17 PM

没必要妄自菲薄，人种之间的差别是客观存在的。中国人撑死足球还是烂，说白了，就是中国人种在这方面不行。奥赛搞集训的不光中国一家。

如果你不服气，看看多少国家的奥赛数学队里有华人小孩 ( 点击表中第四列的国名 )。

http://imo2006.dmfa.si/results_itd.html

另外不要说奥赛成绩不说明问题，现在好多美国大学的数学教授都是前奥赛奖牌获得者。

不过在SSC里发这种帖子要点到为止，不搞国家对比，不提智商。

kelvinyang · August 9th, 2006, 04:02 PM

Wigo,
You are right. I have removed unnecessary links to prevent flame.

didu · August 9th, 2006, 05:19 PM

people, please don't post these types of threads, other people may think we are being racists, it's not really necessary.

gaoanyu · August 9th, 2006, 05:23 PM

Guys, we are ahead of India at the moment, but we shouldn't look down upon their potentials. Remember China is still far behind the developed countries, so comparing to India and feeling great ourselves is not a good attitude, coz we've got a lot to do ourselves.

wigo · August 18th, 2006, 02:23 AM

国产龙芯08年商用用于曙光下一代超级计算机

http://it.sohu.com/20060818/n244863199.shtml

【来源：北京娱乐信报】
　　
信报讯（记者徐娅萍）中国自主研发的计算机中央处理芯片——龙芯，将于２００８年正式应用于曙光下一代超级计算机。昨天，曙光公司总裁历军在披露曙光服务器５年免费服务的举措之前，宣布了这一我国计算机领域重大消息。

　　“将龙芯应用于２００８年由曙光研发生产的下一代超级计算机上，预示着首个由我国自主研发的ＣＰＵ真正实现商用即产业化。”历军谈到，而五年原厂商免费服务是曙光此次提出“服务超越新战略”中的重中之重。现有统计数据表明，计算机和服务器系统的平均使用寿命为４．６年，目前的ＩＴ产品通常服务承诺为３年，而这次曙光革命性地提出了５年原厂商免费服务，这也意味着是终身免费服务。

( 责任编辑：赵秀芹 )

wigo · August 23rd, 2006, 05:14 AM

China blanketed number 1 in all of the subjects except that the informatics competition is still pending. I am suprised that Chinese media are not interested in reporting these news.

Mathematics
http://imo2006.dmfa.si/results_itd.html

Biology
http://www.kbinirsnb.be/ibo/rank/rank_2006.pdf

Physics
http://www.ipho2006.org/index.php?op...ults&Itemid=44

chemistry
http://icho2006.kcsnet.or.kr/main/i_...SULT(Web)2.htm

duskdawn · August 23rd, 2006, 05:19 AM

It is just too common.

Rachmaninov · August 23rd, 2006, 05:40 AM

Yay! Hong Kong got a gold in maths :P
and several silvers too

zergling · August 23rd, 2006, 07:28 AM

They'll probably report it if China didn't win everything.

***z0rg*** · August 23rd, 2006, 12:24 PM

Take notice that many western countries used Chinese brains to get medals

gaoanyu · August 23rd, 2006, 04:27 PM

Used to be that this kind of news are spread to every newspaper in China, but then people got used to it.
If they didn't win everything, they'll start to make a big fuss out of it. But anyway, students in China are trained more extensively in these subjects I suppose, so they have a better chance. But then again, z0rg said overseas Chinese students got medals too, so maybe we are good at scientifical stuff.

YelloPerilo · August 23rd, 2006, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by gaoanyu

But then again, z0rg said overseas Chinese students got medals too, so maybe we are good at scientifical stuff.

Don't tell that to KY!

kelvinyang · August 23rd, 2006, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by YelloPerilo

Don't tell that to KY!

YP, I know these results and reasons behind them very well. I was the first to post these results in this forum.

***z0rg*** · August 23rd, 2006, 05:12 PM

US: 2 Chinese and 1 ?Korean?
Canada: 3 Chinese and 1 Korean
Australia: 1 Chinese, 2 South East Asians
NZ: 2 Chinese, 1 Korean
Swissland: A Vietnamese?
UK: Another Chinese
Sweden: 3 more
Netherlands: Another
Austria: Another one
Paraguay Another one
Panamá: 2 Chinese more

Simply amazing. Maybe the Chinese writing improves mathematical abilities very much. It's the only no-racist explanation I can imagine, honestly.

kelvinyang · August 23rd, 2006, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by z0rg

US: 2 Chinese and 1 ?Korean?
Canada: 3 Chinese and 1 Korean
Australia: 1 Chinese, 2 South East Asians
NZ: 2 Chinese, 1 Korean
Swissland: A Vietnamese?
UK: Another Chinese
Sweden: 3 more
Netherlands: Another
Austria: Another one
Paraguay Another one
Panamá: 2 Chinese more

Simply amazing. Maybe the Chinese writing improves mathematical abilities very much. It's the only no-racist explanation I can imagine, honestly.

Numerous research studies by western psychometrists in last three decades showed that East Asians have higher math IQ. However, why there were not great mathematicians from East Asia is still a puzzle. The research works were done by westerners, so nobody has the right to say that it is the racist Chinese fabrication.

duskdawn · August 23rd, 2006, 06:02 PM

Is this one you are talking about?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_IQ

wigo · August 23rd, 2006, 06:05 PM

We better leave IQ out of SSC discussion. I think traditional chinese culture discourage the expore of nature, that is the very reason why China lack great scientists. With the proper environment, Chinese surely can do good job. One of the four Fields Medals winners this year, Terrence Tao, is an Australian Chinese http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_Tao

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wigo BANNED Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Xiaoshan, Zhejiang 浙江萧山 Posts: 1,276 Likes (Received): 0	没必要妄自菲薄，人种之间的差别是客观存在的。中国人撑死足球还是烂，说白了，就是中国人种在这方面不行。奥赛搞集训的不光中国一家。如果你不服气，看看多少国家的奥赛数学队里有华人小孩 ( 点击表中第四列的国名 )。 http://imo2006.dmfa.si/results_itd.html 另外不要说奥赛成绩不说明问题，现在好多美国大学的数学教授都是前奥赛奖牌获得者。不过在SSC里发这种帖子要点到为止，不搞国家对比，不提智商。 Last edited by wigo; August 9th, 2006 at 04:45 PM.

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wigo BANNED Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Xiaoshan, Zhejiang 浙江萧山 Posts: 1,276 Likes (Received): 0	The results of 2006 international science olympiads China blanketed number 1 in all of the subjects except that the informatics competition is still pending. I am suprised that Chinese media are not interested in reporting these news. Mathematics http://imo2006.dmfa.si/results_itd.html Biology http://www.kbinirsnb.be/ibo/rank/rank_2006.pdf Physics http://www.ipho2006.org/index.php?op...ults&Itemid=44 chemistry http://icho2006.kcsnet.or.kr/main/i_...SULT(Web)2.htm

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dolyer Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 219 Likes (Received): 0	何必又把印度扯上来,原来是比奥运会,现在再加上数学奥林匹克,中国的教育方式完全不同于西方,有大量的高强度练习,因为人多,竞争激烈,而在中国传统文化中,又对这种读书有极高的渴望,因为古代读书是与官职挂钩的,而其他地方是血缘继承爵位.由于中国这种高强度竞争,可能反而想得而得不到.读书被竞争搞的有些变形.

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gaoanyu Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 709 Likes (Received): 0	Used to be that this kind of news are spread to every newspaper in China, but then people got used to it. If they didn't win everything, they'll start to make a big fuss out of it. But anyway, students in China are trained more extensively in these subjects I suppose, so they have a better chance. But then again, z0rg said overseas Chinese students got medals too, so maybe we are good at scientifical stuff.

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