Hudson Yards: The Tishman Speyer Bid

[Ebola]

UPDATED NEWS: Since TS likely has ruined their bid, Durst seems like the likely winner, but anything is possible now.
Durst:



The tallest tower in this plan is in the area of 366m/1,200 feet.

850'x3
700'x3
550'-650'x3
150'-350'x3
900'x1
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It is official. Tishman Speyer, owner of such New York landmarks as Rockefeller Center and the Chrysler Building, will transform the West Side Yards into a vibrant neighborhood and commercial center on Manhattan’s Far West Side.

Designed/planned by Helmut Jahn

Their page: http://www.tishmanspeyer.com/HudsonYards/index.html

Tishman Speyer has just won the right to build their masterplan for Hudson Yards, which will be part of the nation's fourth largest CBD when completed. The MTA approved their plans.

They are planning two 900 foot tall towers and two 1,100 foot tall towers, plus about eight smaller towers, an arts center, and much more. It includes about ten million square feet of office space, half a million square feet of retail space, about three million square feet of residential space, 0.2 million square feet of cultural space, a school for the city, lots of open green space, and more. It possible for these numbers to go down or up. It will all be green, meeting minimum certification of LEED Gold by the U.S. Green Building Council, representing one of the most significant commitments to green development in the nation.

At this stage, it's all planning, not skyscraper designs, so all of the proposals had dull buildings.

This is all at a concept stage and these following towers are not what will end up being built:

There are at least four other, likely more, supertalls which will be bordering this project.

[Hed_Kandi]

New York Citaaayyy !!!!!

[romanamerican]

great! I love the towers (even though they can definitely be improved, and probably will be), and the street level experience was the most exiting of all the proposals.
Let's start building and add another 2 supertalls to New York

[Ebola]

It will most likely be at least two years before construction starts because they have to build a massive platform as a part of the skyscrapers' foundation, which will cost over a billion dollars to do, assuming everything goes well.

There's no doubt that more details will be added and the plans will be improved as time passes, just like what happened to the New WTC.

[romanamerican]

but the platform is the fun part: i'd love to see how the do it, it will be one of the most challenging construction ever made, building a platform capable of holding 2 supertalls, 2 900 footers and a lot of other buildings, everything without stopping the trains to run.
I want to see something like that happening
Then of course, later on we will have the skyscrapers, and the fun will just continue. Great project!

[Newcastle Guy]

This is crap compared to the other, more curvy twin design with the great base, I believe it was by SOM?

[ElVoltageDR]

I hope it improves because right now it isn't great.

[Newcastle Guy]

What could have been...



WRONG CHOICE. The chosen one looks like something proposed in the 70's. I can't believe they went for the worst one.

[Ebola]

It's quite far from "crap" no matter what it's compared to. The key word is dull, at least for now. It could easily rival the WTC in terms of size, and even design later on when we get newer renderings. The current renderings show placeholders, but to what degress, I don't know.

The plan you are talking about, by SOM, was the first to die, so just forget about it so your hopes won't be crushed again. It's pointless to post pictures of things that are dead. And I mean dead. Even this SOM plan was dull in the sense that they also had many copies of towers, just in different sizes, like all of the plans. What had some detail was everything save the towers. But no one was 100% sure they would win, so why spend millions making extensive and detailed plans which only have a 20% chance of being built? Also, the time and resources they had to put these plans together was small, so it will improve now that a winner is decided.

The bright side is that this plan, Tishman's masterplan, will be worked on and it's the plan with the most office space by far, and...

twin towers, two pairs. Hopefully they keep that idea. It's perhaps like the first renderings of the WTC, and how they went from small and bad to big and good. Hope for the best.

[Ni3lS]

Awesome design

[Buyckske Ruben]

Originally Posted by Newcastle Guy

What could have been...

WRONG CHOICE. The chosen one looks like something proposed in the 70's. I can't believe they went for the worst one.

Not enough money i think! The cheapest development meaby? N.Y is not Dubai, Amerika is not the skycraper trendsetter any more like they are in the 20th century.

But above all, a new big project again!

[Ebola]

This project is basically another New WTC. There's going to be at least four or five other supertalls close to it.

If it was not possible, it would not be proposed; NY doesn't just pull megaprojects out of its ass without planning like hell first, something many other cities do. This project will cost at least $10 billion, likely much more, and is one of the most expensive right now; it has federal, city, and state support to a degree. America is still the king of skyscrapers; many of the skyscrapers in other countries would not be possible without American engineering and design firms. But according to the next poster, I'm totally wrong and the US isn't needed at all and what I say is BS; it has old skyscrapers and is to weak to build new, groundbreaking stuff and will never be the best at anything or have the greatest anything because it's clearly not possible and never will be possible. O, woe is it.

[Newcastle Guy]

Originally Posted by Ebola

It's quite far from "crap" no matter what it's compared to. The key word is dull, at least for now. It could easily rival the WTC in terms of size, and even design later on when we get newer renderings. The current renderings show placeholders, but to what degress, I don't know.

I disagree. If it turns out like that, then I would say it is crap compared to what NYC is supposedly capable of. I mean c'mon, don't kid yourself, that doesn't look good or world class by any stretch of the imagination, atleast not too me, unless I am missing something. I hope you are right about them just being placeholders. They should have different architects designing different parts of the scheme.

[Ebola]

The skyscrapers' design wasn't the only part of this competition.

Not every proposed building can be like the MoMA tower Foster/Roger's WTC Tower. We'd also be calling the first WTC crap, and the concept for 7WTC too would be considered garbage.

Show me the early batch of renderings for a project of this scale that look exactly like the completed product and I'll chop my head off while standing on the apex of the Empire State Building in a monkey suit covered in peanut butter and bird seeds.

[Daquan13]

Originally Posted by Ebola

It will most likely be at least two years before construction starts because they have to build a massive platform as a part of the skyscrapers' foundation, which will cost over a billion dollars to do, assuming everything goes well.

There's no doubt that more details will be added and the plans will be improved as time passes, just like what happened to the New WTC.

Like the one that was made for the former WTC?

[coexist]

They better do some massive changes to this design. I'd also like to see them build those two 1,100 foot towers higher (or at least one of them). I was hoping we'd get a building taller than the ESB out of this project, but I'd be content with the current heights staying but with a new design.

I have to say, though, I am disappointed with their choice. I'd say this proposal was the second worst, with Extell being the worst. I was hoping Vornado would get it after Brookfield dropped out.

[Ebola]

Originally Posted by Daquan13

Like the one that was made for the former WTC?

You mean the slurry walls? Those were to prevent the WTC site from caving in.

The plan doesn't need major changes to be world-class. The greatest buildings are usually simple. They could easily change how everything looks with minor changes, like adding a slant from the roof that reaches to grade and messing with the height or adding a diagrid shell, something to subtract from the blankness of the facade. If it were up to me and the general shape and height and positions of the towers had to remain the same, I'd cover the towers with steel cross-bracing and light it when it gets dark.

We have not even see the lobbies/basees of this project. It's going to be a waiting game. Facade detail, shape, which tower contains what, lighting, ect., all of these things are up in the air. They are or will be working on it, and they have years to do it.

[romanamerican]

Originally Posted by Buyckske Ruben

Not enough money i think! The cheapest development meaby? N.Y is not Dubai, Amerika is not the skycraper trendsetter any more like they are in the 20th century.

But above all, a new big project again!

this seriously made me laugh for a good 30 minutes.
Dude, look it up wherever you want (Encyclopedia Britannica is a good one), and you will be startled: no matter how many arab princes with money there are in dubai, the money available is not nearly as much as the one flowing in New York .Just for example, the budget available to the city for public works (development, maintenance,.....) is of 90 billion dollars a year(the highest in the world). At this, we can start to add the private funding....

I don't know in which dreamland you live, but it surely is a funny one.

[Newcastle Guy]

Originally Posted by Ebola

Show me the early batch of renderings for a project of this scale that look exactly like the completed product and I'll chop my head off while standing on the apex of the Empire State Building in a monkey suit covered in peanut butter and bird seeds.

I can't. You are right that projects get better throughout the design process. But if these projects will improve on what we see here, imagine how much the SOM one could have? Straight off the bat that looked like a far superior proposal, and to me that does not bode well for this one.

[ZZ-II]

, already saw it on SSP that the Tishman proposal has been chosen. but still......Brookfield was much better