PORTO ALEGRE - Arena do Grêmio (60,540)

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Originally Posted by Carrerra

From 52,398 to 60,700?

The stadium will have 4,000 seats removable.

With all the seating capacity will be 56,000 seated and 4,000 without the removable seats will be 52,000 seated and 8,000 standing, making spectacle in the stands.

My English is bad, sorry ...

[AcesHigh]

Originally Posted by Carrerra

From 52,398 to 60,700?

no. The other forumer commited a mistake.

the stadium was previously setup to have 52,3 thousand seats, or 58 thousand PLACES in total, removing a few thousand seats from the terraces behind one goal.


Now, the stadium, when in an all seater configuration, will have 56 thousand seats. Or in the configuration with terraces, it will have 60 thousand places.

the terraces are only behind ONE goal, and just in the lower ring.


you can see it in this image... that part all in white, with the club´s shield painted on it.

[MuitoObrigado]

Why were some fans complaining about the capacity upgrade? Would it prejudice Grêmio somehow?

[AcesHigh]

Originally Posted by MuitoObrigado

Why were some fans complaining about the capacity upgrade? Would it prejudice Grêmio somehow?

politics. Most of these fans are against the current administration and will criticize anything. They say the original viability study made by AAA set the stadium to have 55 thousand people.

Well, ok, the increase is of only 1 thousand (56 thousand) in SEATS!!! Thats almost nothing. The other 4000 will be standing up on terraces, hardly a difference in costs.

furthemore, several of these new seats will be used for the CURRENT club associates who have rights to chairs without paying each game. Grêmio would have to pay its partner, AG, the full sum of their tickets! Over the period of partnership, that would amount to R$50 million. 2000 of these new seats will belong ONLY to Grêmio, thus, the old associates who had rights to seats will be put there, and Grêmio wont have to pay to AG. Since there is a cost of about R$20 million for the new seats, it will represent savings on the order of $30 million for Grêmio over the 20 years partnership duration! (most other 60 thousand Grêmio associates have to pay a monthly fee MORE half the ticket price)

[MuitoObrigado]

Originally Posted by AcesHigh

politics. Most of these fans are against the current administration and will criticize anything. They say the original viability study made by AAA set the stadium to have 55 thousand people.

Well, ok, the increase is of only 1 thousand (56 thousand) in SEATS!!! Thats almost nothing. The other 4000 will be standing up on terraces, hardly a difference in costs.

furthemore, several of these new seats will be used for the CURRENT club associates who have rights to chairs without paying each game. Grêmio would have to pay its partner, AG, the full sum of their tickets! Over the period of partnership, that would amount to R$50 million. 2000 of these new seats will belong ONLY to Grêmio, thus, the old associates who had rights to seats will be put there, and Grêmio wont have to pay to AG. Since there is a cost of about R$20 million for the new seats, it will represent savings on the order of $30 million for Grêmio over the 20 years partnership duration! (most other 60 thousand Grêmio associates have to pay a monthly fee MORE half the ticket price)

Thanks.


Only benefits there, it's a shame how some people put political issues before the club's interests.

[AcesHigh]

Originally Posted by MuitoObrigado

Thanks.


Only benefits there, it's a shame how some people put political issues before the club's interests.

oh, other problem that made some fans complain about the capacity increase, and I forgot here: they are simply UNINFORMED.

let me explain

this week it was voted an additive to the original contract, elevating the total value of the BNDES financing in 65 million.

the UNINFORMED fans, only heard about ONE of the several issues that increased the value: the capacity upgrade.

Thus they were complaining that it was ridiculous to spend 65 million to increase the capacity. Well, if all those 65 million was used for that, I would agree with them.

But NO.

Here are the other items that are included with this 65 million additive:
- LEEDS certification. $3 million/year in savings from reusing rain water, etc, also better deals in Naming Rights negotiations because the stadium has the certificate
- a second electricity substation, this one of 69kva (the 13 kva one was already included in the original contract). With the new station, not only the Arena will be basically "fireproof" against blackouts, as it will also be able to buy energy from the grid with greater discounts, resulting in great economy
- OAS will spend 5 million helping to build the new Gremio CT
- OAS will spend another 5 million in furniture of the Grêmio administrative areas of the new stadium. Under the old agreement, OAS would deliver those areas "naked", and Grêmio would spend its own money to furniture it all.


as you see, its a great deal.

[eletronic1979]

Image in 360º.
http://www.clicrbs.com.br/zerohora/s...rena_02092011/

[MuitoObrigado]

Originally Posted by AcesHigh

oh, other problem that made some fans complain about the capacity increase, and I forgot here: they are simply UNINFORMED.

let me explain

this week it was voted an additive to the original contract, elevating the total value of the BNDES financing in 65 million.

the UNINFORMED fans, only heard about ONE of the several issues that increased the value: the capacity upgrade.

Thus they were complaining that it was ridiculous to spend 65 million to increase the capacity. Well, if all those 65 million was used for that, I would agree with them.

But NO.

Here are the other items that are included with this 65 million additive:
- LEEDS certification. $3 million/year in savings from reusing rain water, etc, also better deals in Naming Rights negotiations because the stadium has the certificate
- a second electricity substation, this one of 69kva (the 13 kva one was already included in the original contract). With the new station, not only the Arena will be basically "fireproof" against blackouts, as it will also be able to buy energy from the grid with greater discounts, resulting in great economy
- OAS will spend 5 million helping to build the new Gremio CT
- OAS will spend another 5 million in furniture of the Grêmio administrative areas of the new stadium. Under the old agreement, OAS would deliver those areas "naked", and Grêmio would spend its own money to furniture it all.


as you see, its a great deal.

yep, even better

[SWN2011]

Great Stadium. Honestly, I don't know the reason of that Brazilian COL is waiting to place in stadium at World Cup 2014 . The works here is going fast.
Much better than Beira Rio which has the works stopped around 3 months.

Gremio Arena = Beira Rio =

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Originally Posted by AcesHigh

http://www.clicrbs.com.br/esportes/r...a-em-2011.html

From the brazilian thread

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Originally Posted by AcesHigh

fotos retiradas da comu Grêmio - VIP

Supporters temporary space...

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Some videos

Originally Posted by AcesHigh

e os videos do Glênio

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From a TV Helicopter (today)

[In The End]

Originally Posted by alibabaregis

Alguém sabe que música de fundo é essa? Parece Carmina Burana...

Arrepiei!

[AcesHigh]

the other half of the stadium is going up (lots of new columns being raised in the north and west sectors)




construction slowed down in the winter, because it was one of the rainiest winter in decades at Rio Grande do Sul state... but its still on track.

the stadium is huge because it has over 30 thousand sq meters for commercial areas (as much as many malls/shopping centres), besides all the football related stuff.

[Gutovsky]

Wow... I went to Porto Alegre some weeks ago and I can clearly see progress... I think this will be a serious candidate to take the place of Beira-Rio in the Cup... If not, Porto Alegre will have two amazing stadiums!

[AcesHigh]

Originally Posted by Gutovsky

Wow... I went to Porto Alegre some weeks ago and I can clearly see progress... I think this will be a serious candidate to take the place of Beira-Rio in the Cup... If not, Porto Alegre will have two amazing stadiums!

I think progress in the summer (which traditionally is dryer in Porto Alegre, although Rio Grande do Sul has no "dry and wet" season) will be much faster and smoother.

according to BBC Weather, the rainiest month is september, with average of 132 mm, and the dryest is november, with 79mm.

the difference is not that big, as you can see. This september has been kinda dry so far btw, but we had much more rain than usual in july and august.

[João Paulo]

I said it already and I will repeat, this will certainly be the best stadium in Brazil. Can´t wait to see it ready!!!

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