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Old December 18th, 2012, 08:18 PM   #1981
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Oh, most definitely. Granted, these roads are about 45 years behind schedule and therefore more expensive due to inflation, but it will be worth it once they're up.

I'm having trouble finding out if this route will be freeway-standard or an expressway with some lights here and there. I hope it's the former 'cause the latter would make no sense at this point.
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Old December 19th, 2012, 09:40 PM   #1982
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Oh, most definitely. Granted, these roads are about 45 years behind schedule and therefore more expensive due to inflation, but it will be worth it once they're up.

I'm having trouble finding out if this route will be freeway-standard or an expressway with some lights here and there. I hope it's the former 'cause the latter would make no sense at this point.
They'll probably be built with access management for upgrading to freeway standards when traffic warrants it.

Proposing a full beltway is rife with political baggage, so fast-growing metro areas usually piece-meal any outer beltway as separate projects. Houston was smart for dividing its Grand Parkway up into 11 or 12 different segments for study. It forced environmentalists and other NIMBYs/BANANAs to play whack-a-mole with trying to kill the project, which they've been unsuccessful at.
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Old December 20th, 2012, 03:20 AM   #1983
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I read somewhere that Virginia and Maryland are backdooring their way to building that Outer Washington Beltway. All these new parkways in the Northern VA counties plus the ICC in Maryland have me believing it now.
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It's inevitable. Washington metro area is by far the fastest growing in the northeast. In terms of population growth it resembles more that of a Sunbelt city than a northeastern city. Though most population growth appears to be in Northern Virginia. This is also where most jobs are.
I would not expect this to connect to the ICC in Maryland as there will be massive opposition to running a full fledged freeway through that peculiar part of Montgomery County.

Anyways it appears that they will be using the Prince William Pkwy as a part of the route.
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Old December 21st, 2012, 06:50 PM   #1984
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The Tunnel Boring Machine (TBM) for the SR-99 tunnel in Seattle.

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Old December 21st, 2012, 07:07 PM   #1985
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US 301 Nice Bridge

The Maryland Transportation Authority (MDTA) has completed a six-year study to replace the Governor Nice Memorial Bridge across the Potomac River between Maryland and Virginia.

The current two-lane bridge has reached the end of its lifespan and is 72 years old. It is a toll bridge, although toll revenues are not enough to cover the estimated $ 850 million to construct a new bridge. The new bridge will feature 2x2 lanes with bicycle and footpaths on either side.

They issued a FONSI (Finding of No Significant Impact) but funding is not yet available. The bridge needs renovation in 10 years with an alternating single lane configuration, so a replacement is preferred before that is necessary.

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Old December 21st, 2012, 07:12 PM   #1986
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I've only crossed that once, but I'm wondering if a 2x2 won't be obsolete in ten years....
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It's still quite far from either Richmond or Washington, but I can see US 301 being used as a bypass of I-95 in the far future. However the current US 301 has way too many traffic signals to be a good alternative.

Meanwhile, the remaining two direct connectors of the US 281 / Loop 1604 interchange in San Antonio, Texas open to traffic today.

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Don't have any pictures to back up my rant right now, but the new street signs going up around my town are awful, awful, awful. Had to get it off my chest. They suck.
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Old December 21st, 2012, 08:39 PM   #1989
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What town is that, if one may ask?
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They'll probably be built with access management for upgrading to freeway standards when traffic warrants it.

Proposing a full beltway is rife with political baggage, so fast-growing metro areas usually piece-meal any outer beltway as separate projects. Houston was smart for dividing its Grand Parkway up into 11 or 12 different segments for study. It forced environmentalists and other NIMBYs/BANANAs to play whack-a-mole with trying to kill the project, which they've been unsuccessful at.
If Houston didnt have such lax zoning and land management policies it wouldn't need to build a 54th beltway. What a joke. SR 8 is enough.
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Northern Virginia already has SR 28 and Prince William Parkway. It does not need another bypass. Smart land use instead of spreading further and further out is needed. Destroying forests, farmland, watersheds, and encroaching on precious Civil War battlefields is no way for a metropolitan area to grow.
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Old December 22nd, 2012, 01:52 AM   #1992
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The NYC metro policies resulted in the longest commute in the nation among all MSAs. 11 minutes longer than the second one, Chicago, and 17 minutes longer than the " 'autocentric sprawled always congested' area of Los Angeles"

Commutes on transit-heavy cities in US are always longer. The only outlier there is Atlanta, which has an extremely poor road network (be it highways but also arterials, which are lacking much).
I'm sure if NYC tore down its rail network and plowed 10 fifteen lane highways into the city the commute and quality of life would be so much easier. Half of Manhattan would have to be turned into parking lots to accomodate all of the cars and the air quality would be insufferable.

Did it ever occur to you that commuting to an ISLAND might be a little more difficult and time consuming, given the natural bottlenecks that exist, than in a city located on flat prairie with minimal natural obstacles?
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Old December 22nd, 2012, 01:57 AM   #1993
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People move to Texas for its economy and affordable housing, not to be put in New York style apartment buildings or overpriced California style suburban housing.
Newsflash, most of Texas' population growth is from HISPANICS, not middle income caucasians fleeing blue states for freedom and low taxes.

You are completely uninformed and off base with the demographic driving population growth in those metro areas.
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Don't have any pictures to back up my rant right now, but the new street signs going up around my town are awful, awful, awful. Had to get it off my chest. They suck.
All around Harford County, MD
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Old December 22nd, 2012, 05:29 AM   #1995
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If Houston didnt have such lax zoning and land management policies it wouldn't need to build a 54th beltway. What a joke. SR 8 is enough.
Over half a million inhabitants of the Houston metropolitan area are already living outside the planned Grand Parkway. Not to mention many more people live up to 20 miles outside Beltway 8.

The Grand Parkway is needed. Otherwise you end up like Atlanta. Not building roads does not stop suburban growth.
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PA-576 Pittsburgh Southern Beltway

The Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission has reactivated the design of the Southern Beltway of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Construction will likely commence in 2014 and be completed in 2020. This first 13 mile phase connects US 22 with I-79 southwest of Pittsburgh. A second phase should extend to PA-43 (Mon-Fayette Expressway), but funding is uncertain.

This should eventually become a part of Interstate 576 although there are currently no plans to connect it to I-76.

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Old December 23rd, 2012, 01:38 AM   #1998
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If Houston didnt have such lax zoning and land management policies it wouldn't need to build a 54th beltway. What a joke. SR 8 is enough.
Houston sprawls less than any other major sunbelt city that isn't constrained by wetlands, physical barriers, or water scarcity, and it's growth is relatively balanced in multiple directions, unlike Dallas or Atlanta which sprawl disproportionately north.
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 03:14 AM   #1999
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Atlanta is just unique. If you live in Peachtree City heading into downtown and don't like driving on the freeways, you're pretty much stuck taking a two-lane road at some point in your trip. Many major arterials in Atlanta funnel into the freeways and either end completely or narrow down to a 2-lane road (the green lines=2-lane roads; light blue=4-lane roads; dark blue=6-lane roads; Red=boulevards; Pink=One-way roads).



INRIX recently published a report that ranks corridors based on how unreliable they are. The methodology of the report is to determine how much "buffer" time you need to leave in order to be on time 95% of the trips. Not surprisingly Atlanta took the top two honors with GA-400 SB from Toll Plaza I-85 to Exit 87 and I-75 SB from Mount Zion Pkwy/Exit 231 to Hudson Bridge Rd/Exit 224. Basically if you do have a jack-knifed semi on I-75 in Atlanta there are very few options to get around the problem.

Atlanta is the most likely city where you'll be late to work in America! Just tell the boss it's the arterial networks fault.
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Old December 23rd, 2012, 04:31 AM   #2000
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Atlanta is weird since it doesn't have real grid network in the city except for the city center. Atlanta has great freeways but not enough of them, if they had more of a freeway network then it could support traffic coming off of small 2 lane roads. In this case everyone piles onto the freeways which are huge if you've never been there btw then you get congestion, even the multi-lane boulevards have bad congestion during daytime hours.
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