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Old January 31st, 2009, 12:14 AM   #201
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I always felt that the amount of parking spaces around major shopping malls are a bit excessive. I mean, some of these malls must have thousands of parking spaces, are there really that many people in there at the same time, or are they just afraid to loose customers if the parking lot gets full sometimes? As the busiest days would be on a saturday, isn't it an idea to use office parking spaces around for peak times, and reduce amount of parking spaces that are for a mall exclusively? That way you'll have a more efficient space usage.

Although on the other hand, I wouldn't get too crazy about the Dutch parking policy, they tend to dump major shopping centers on one lane roads. I mean, the city of Utrecht was terribly jammed last night because a major employer had a meeting for like 7,000 employees. Ikea's can get terrible too, they often have to close the nearest exit on the freeway because the freeway gets jammed on peak shopping days.

For aesthetics, they might want to consider building a mall on top of a parking garage, reducing the amount of visible parking spaces.

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Old January 31st, 2009, 12:52 AM   #202
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These parking lots are designed with the busiest days leading up to Christmas in mind- they are almost never full, almost never even CLOSE to being filled up. In addition, due to the economy and the changing habits of shoppers, the day of the indoor suburban shopping mall is waning at the moment. We may have a lot of very large and very empty parking lots for years to come in the US.
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Old January 31st, 2009, 01:03 AM   #203
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Speaking of malls, check this out (Palisades Mall, West Nyack, NY). Camouflaged?

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Old January 31st, 2009, 01:06 AM   #204
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They're a bit paranoid in New York, many public buildings are not covered in Google Earth. All the bridges in NYC are also not covered by Street view.
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Old January 31st, 2009, 07:54 PM   #205
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One alternative is to install grassed overflow paving at the remoter portions of the parking area. I'm too lazy to post a pic, but here's a Google Map link to one such installation. You may LOL when you zoom out and see where it is...

This particular mall added a parking deck on the rear side-- there, topography made the expansion of surface parking infeasible.

Cost is obviously one driver of the decision to do vast surface lots instead of decks, but another is land use flexibility. Surface lots can be replaced with parking decks and additional buildings depending on how market conditions evolve. Malls can evolve into mixed-use activity centers, with the surface parking areas gradually nibbled away by new structures. Or, the mall might lose favor with shoppers and become a white elephant-- it's exceedingly difficult to predict.
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Old January 31st, 2009, 08:09 PM   #206
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This is a section of Pennsylvania's largest shopping mall, the King of Prussia Mall. It's actually two malls right next to each other- there's surface parking and parking garages as well. If you look carefully you'll also see the mall has it's own traffic lights.


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Old February 1st, 2009, 01:27 AM   #207
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Here's a short road trip from Saturday, 31 Jan I made- a portion was on Interstate 81, but most of it was on local-type roads so I decided to put it in the non-Interstate thread...


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Crossing US 22 or Allentown Boulevard
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Half the pickup trucks have snow plows on them this time of year
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There's a future plan to widen the road here, which I think is why they installed a wire-span traffic light setup.
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Now on Interstate 81 for a few miles
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Harr's me junction
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On Pennsylvania 934
A pretty big sinkhole opened up on US 422 in the town of Palmyra, so they've got a temporary detour in place.
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Entering the village of Annville
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I need a break- hot chocolate and a slice of peanut butter and chocolate pie should do the trick
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I can do road-geek stuff from the comfort of my chair in the cafe where I stopped- this view's from the front window
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For someone who had his feet and hands cut off, he sure gets around
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Back on PA 934- a lot of dairy farm operations around here.
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934 ends at US route 322
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That farmhouse's driveway ends at a traffic light. Imagine living on a farm and you can't even leave your private driveway without having to obey a traffic signal!
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On 322
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Heading toward America's Chocolatetown, Hershey
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Gonna head home on a short freeway-section of US 322
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Old February 1st, 2009, 01:52 AM   #208
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Old February 1st, 2009, 01:52 AM   #209
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Really nice. I kind of like these journeys even more, because they show the real American life more than some freeway exits
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Old February 1st, 2009, 01:54 AM   #210
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Really nice. I kind of like these journeys even more, because they show the real American life more than some freeway exits
Thanks- someone once said Interstates are great, but you don't see anything.
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They're a bit paranoid in New York, many public buildings are not covered in Google Earth. All the bridges in NYC are also not covered by Street view.
I must be going blind or something - I can't see how the mall posted above is 'camouflaged'. What's different about it? Is it because it's not very clear?

What other buildings in New York can't you see on Google Earth?
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Old February 1st, 2009, 03:41 AM   #212
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Great pictures Billpa, looks like you had nice weather.
I like countryside roads.
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Ah, here's the PA we know and love.
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Great report Billpa, I admire your pictures, always hoping for more road-geeking from you
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Ah, here's the PA we know and love.
Yeah, you're right. I've experienced the same when I stayed in this state. I was quite surprised to see that even tolled Penna Turnpike had a pretty bad pavement (although with some stretches reconstructed).

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I must be going blind or something - I can't see how the mall posted above is 'camouflaged'. What's different about it? Is it because it's not very clear?
Check it yourself, you'll see the difference.
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Nice report, Billpa. In short time we've seen all roads in Pennsylvania

By the way, I've never heard of peanut-butter and chocolate pie. Weird combination. Does it taste good?
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Nice report, Billpa. In short time we've seen all roads in Pennsylvania

By the way, I've never heard of peanut-butter and chocolate pie. Weird combination. Does it taste good?

It might just be the tastiest dessert ever made!

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Yeah, I know- how 'bout a little paint? What could 'that' cost?!?
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Yeah, you're right. I've experienced the same when I stayed in this state. I was quite surprised to see that even tolled Penna Turnpike had a pretty bad pavement (although with some stretches reconstructed).


Check it yourself, you'll see the difference.
There's only a slight difference in clarity, nothing special.

What are the other buildings in New York that are blurred/blocked out?

I looked up the Pentagon and the CIA in Langley, and they're pretty clear.
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They blurred out Buffalo Airport, but not JFK Airport in NYC?
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Chris, I beg to differ. The landscape is nothing special, but still better than US-101 that runs parallel to it.

What I would suggest is to take a drive on CA-1 highway north of San Francisco up to Fort Bragg or Fort Ross. The scenery is amazing there... if it happens to be a sunny day On the way back you can turn out at Russian River and take CA-116 through Sebastopol to get back on US-101.

While you are in Carmel, don't forget to take a famous 17-mile drive. I didn't like it, but it is worth to see.

If you are a wine lover, you can visit Napa and Sonoma. Just to give you heads up, the scenery there is generally not very green and reminds me of inland Spain.
ah, home. yes, sight-seeing thru northern california is a MUST. (no wonder the amgen bicycle tour is so popular). wine country is spectacular: ive lived here all my life and it still amazes me. theres a saying that everywhere u look is fit for a postcard. 116 takes u from the ocean, to the redwoods, along the russion river to the cute town of sebastopol. its designated a scenic highway. here are some pix that i posted earlier in this thread to give you all an idea of the local beauty. much of this is highway 12 and 121 that connects napa/sonoma.

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how about something beautiful for a change.

i took these photos coming back from tahoe back in july. im gonna post some pix of i-80 in the interstate thread. these photos here are of california state highways 12 and 121, through the wine region of napa and sonoma counties.
scenes like this are literally 5-10 minutes away from my house in downtown santa rosa. thank god in i live in california.



























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