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Old November 23rd, 2014, 03:06 AM   #2681
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Old November 24th, 2014, 04:43 AM   #2682
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CA-60 Riverside-Beaumont

A neat video of a substandard expressway that connects Riverside wiht Beuamont.

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Old November 24th, 2014, 04:59 AM   #2683
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How is that substandard? Better than majority of European expressways
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Old November 24th, 2014, 05:04 AM   #2684
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Old November 24th, 2014, 06:03 AM   #2685
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10 lanes in a city of 300,000? that seems a little oversized..

edit: its suburban LA, nevermind.
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Old November 25th, 2014, 01:09 AM   #2686
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How is that substandard? Better than majority of European expressways
I guess it's all the expressway v motorway/freeway business, it's good for an expressway but would be sub-standard for a motorway (the second half that is).
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Old November 25th, 2014, 09:37 PM   #2687
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Rochester Inner Loop

This segment of the Inner Loop of Rochester, New York will close to traffic forever on December 2. This part will be demolished as part of a revitalization project in downtown Rochester.

This particular stretch of expressway carries only 7,000 vehicles per day.

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Old November 25th, 2014, 10:35 PM   #2688
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Good Riddance to Bad Expressways!

Now if only they hadn't closed the subway.
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Old November 25th, 2014, 10:48 PM   #2689
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I wonder why that section has such little traffic.
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Old November 25th, 2014, 11:03 PM   #2690
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I think most traffic to and from downtown use either I-490 or one of the surface streets. The Inner Loop could serve more traffic if there would've been a freeway to the north or northeast. I was also surprised that traffic was this low, 7,000 vehicles per day can be easily handled through any two-lane road.

Rochester lost a good third of its population since the 1950s. Decline wasn't as steep as some rust belt cities, but the area was projected to have over 5 million people, that actually turned out to be some 750,000 in Monroe County. The current road network obviously could not have dealt with 5 million people worth of traffic.
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Old November 25th, 2014, 11:10 PM   #2691
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Are we talking about the entirety of the Loop except the section that's included in I-490, or...?
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Old November 25th, 2014, 11:12 PM   #2692
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I think most traffic to and from downtown use either I-490 or one of the surface streets. The Inner Loop could serve more traffic if there would've been a freeway to the north or northeast. I was also surprised that traffic was this low, 7,000 vehicles per day can be easily handled through any two-lane road.

Rochester lost a good third of its population since the 1950s. Decline wasn't as steep as some rust belt cities, but the area was projected to have over 5 million people, that actually turned out to be some 750,000 in Monroe County. The current road network obviously could not have dealt with 5 million people worth of traffic.
5 million? When was the Rochester area projected to have 5 million people? (Maybe if you define it as including everything from Niagara Falls to Utica....)
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Old November 25th, 2014, 11:18 PM   #2693
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Probably in the 1950s. Monroe County (which currently encompasses most of the actual built-up area) has been growing for decades despite the decline of Rochester itself. The growth is small, but they probably looked at the huge growth of suburban New York from the 1920s and thought, hey that could happen to us too. Back in the early 20th century, Rochester and Buffalo were among the largest cities in the country.
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Old November 25th, 2014, 11:33 PM   #2694
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Are we talking about the entirety of the Loop except the section that's included in I-490, or...?
I believe so. Everything but I-490 is going, and rightfully so. Its an extremely underused road that does nothing but cut off the downtown from surrounding neighbourhoods.
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Old November 26th, 2014, 01:01 AM   #2695
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I dunno - it runs between a crappy rundown area and another crappy rundown area. So let's put more vacant land in the middle, LOL
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Old November 26th, 2014, 11:27 PM   #2696
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This segment of the Inner Loop of Rochester, New York will close to traffic forever on December 2. This part will be demolished as part of a revitalization project in downtown Rochester.

This particular stretch of expressway carries only 7,000 vehicles per day.

and what are they planning to do there?
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Old November 26th, 2014, 11:56 PM   #2697
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Old November 27th, 2014, 12:35 AM   #2698
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Not surprised that they are closing that highway down in Rochester.
Their downtown is among the most dead that I've ever seen for a city of it's size, even in the day.

It also did an "excellent" job of isolating the downtown from the rest of the city.
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Old November 27th, 2014, 05:08 AM   #2699
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and what are they planning to do there?
arterial road and development lands. It largely just comes down to maitenence costs, the highway needs to be rebuilt and its cheaper to rip it up and replace it with an arterial road, and the motorway isn't really needed given the highways extremely local nature. If there is a single highway in the US that can be ripped up, its this one.


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Old November 27th, 2014, 05:22 AM   #2700
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is it really cheaper? I mean replacing a few overpasses compared to the extensive fill? The road should never have been made, but...

It is kind of like the mess Montreal did at the Pie-IX / Henri-Bourassa interchange, the traffic volume is high but they decided to replace the crumbling overpass with an intersection... except it is costing something like $50 million plus, and a new overpass would barely be like 20...
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