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Old July 15th, 2015, 05:10 PM   #3001
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Sure its nice for the inhabitants of the prosperous areas to have a highway removed but those who live farther from those area do feel the pain of less transport.

So it all depends on how we measure success.
Normally, I might agree, but not in this case. The double decker stub freeway (I believe it was less then a mile long) cut off the financial district from the water, creating dead zones. Now the area is a beautiful boulevard and park/plaza with tons of street activity. The once cut off Ferry Building is now a destination with a world famous market. It's the equivalent of removing a small stub freeway from Manhattan. Nobody "drives through" Manhattan or downtown San Francisco, there's so much density, if you're driving there, THAT IS your destination. There are plenty of other routes to take that avoid the density (or even The City completely), so "less transport" doesn't apply. Again, this was just a short stub. I think you'd be hard pressed to find even a single person in San Francisco who misses the old Embarcadero Freeway.

Edit: Besides, public transportation makes more sense then driving in downtown anyway (again like Manhattan). I always take the Ferry - I can't remember the last time I took my car in the Financial district.
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The Embarcadero was an oversized off ramp, since there were obvious no plans to extend it to the Golden Gate Bridge anymore. The same counts for most 'freeway' removals.
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Old July 15th, 2015, 05:35 PM   #3003
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Normally, I might agree, but not in this case. The double decker stub freeway (I believe it was less then a mile long) cut off the financial district from the water, creating dead zones. Now the area is a beautiful boulevard and park/plaza with tons of street activity. The once cut off Ferry Building is now a destination with a world famous market. It's the equivalent of removing a small stub freeway from Manhattan. Nobody "drives through" Manhattan or downtown San Francisco, there's so much density, if you're driving there, THAT IS your destination. There are plenty of other routes to take that avoid the density (or even The City completely), so "less transport" doesn't apply. Again, this was just a short stub. I think you'd be hard pressed to find even a single person in San Francisco who misses the old Embarcadero Freeway.

Edit: Besides, public transportation makes more sense then driving in downtown anyway (again like Manhattan). I always take the Ferry - I can't remember the last time I took my car in the Financial district.
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Old July 15th, 2015, 06:04 PM   #3004
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Copied from the Dallas Development news thread.

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Dallas is very likely to get a brand new freeway "belt". Though it has been discussed for nearly 6 decades now, Loop 9 is on the verge of becoming reality.

From: http://www.loop9.org/index.html











For a more thorough diagram check this out:
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Old July 15th, 2015, 07:27 PM   #3005
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No problem! "Knowledge is Power"
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Old July 15th, 2015, 10:25 PM   #3006
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Wisconsin State Highway 42 near the Northport ferry.

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Old July 15th, 2015, 11:23 PM   #3007
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Capitol Drive (WI-190) near Waukesha, Wisconsin.

I wonder if Michigan might try converting all those Michigan lefts into this configuration.
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Old July 16th, 2015, 01:24 AM   #3008
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what is going to be with an old bridge?
It will be torn down...
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Old July 16th, 2015, 01:32 AM   #3009
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The Lowest Underpass ive ever seen...

Fisher Lane a one way Eastbound underpass in White Plains,NY


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Old July 16th, 2015, 02:09 AM   #3010
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The Mid-Hudson Bridge to Poughkeepsie

Carries US 44 & NY 55 over the Hudson River


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The Lowest Underpass ive ever seen...

Fisher Lane a one way Eastbound underpass in White Plains,NY
2.23 meters? That's too high .

The underpass I linked is only 5 ft 11 in high BTW
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Old July 17th, 2015, 03:14 AM   #3012
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Normally, I might agree, but not in this case. The double decker stub freeway (I believe it was less then a mile long) cut off the financial district from the water, creating dead zones. Now the area is a beautiful boulevard and park/plaza with tons of street activity. The once cut off Ferry Building is now a destination with a world famous market. It's the equivalent of removing a small stub freeway from Manhattan. Nobody "drives through" Manhattan or downtown San Francisco, there's so much density, if you're driving there, THAT IS your destination. There are plenty of other routes to take that avoid the density (or even The City completely), so "less transport" doesn't apply. Again, this was just a short stub. I think you'd be hard pressed to find even a single person in San Francisco who misses the old Embarcadero Freeway.

Edit: Besides, public transportation makes more sense then driving in downtown anyway (again like Manhattan). I always take the Ferry - I can't remember the last time I took my car in the Financial district.
Although I agree with you Manhattan isn't a good example since it actually gets a lot of traffic passing through than you think. In the case of SF that freeway stub removal was insignificant in the grand scheme of things traffic wise but very significant for downtown. I do think I-80 and Presidio being linked via freeway would be a good thing (if it were a tunnel or something) but it won't ever happen. The through traffic just clogs Van Ness and Lombard St.
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Old July 17th, 2015, 05:02 PM   #3013
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Old July 17th, 2015, 09:05 PM   #3014
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SR-99, Seattle, WA

New Bertha start date to resume digging is Nov. 23

The Highway 99 tunnel schedule has been pushed out again, with Bertha to begin digging this November and traffic to enter in March 2018.

Tunnel-boring machine Bertha, whose front end remains in pieces along the downtown waterfront, is to resume digging Nov. 23, according to a new timetable from the construction team.
Full report at the Seattle Times: http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-...t-date-nov-23/
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2.23 meters? That's too high .

The underpass I linked is only 5 ft 11 in high BTW
Oh man...

You'd think there would be a tube or sign hanging from a cable before those tunnels to warn people first.

That's an obscenely low underpass. I am slightly taller than 1.8 meters and I wonder if I could safely ride under that on a bike. Insane.
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Roebling Bridge over the Ohio River between Cincinnati & Newport,KY


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weird bridges in Kansas City

Kansas City has some weird double-deck bridges. I wonder why, as purely looking into how they fit the maps doesn't provide a good rationale for spending enormous amounts of money to do so.

Examples:
https://goo.gl/maps/fpkYm
https://goo.gl/maps/mz8wg

Were these former combined road-rail bridges?

The area around them looks very derelict and dangerous. I think it is a polder (reclaimed floodplain) with weak flood defenses so not suitable for regeneration or anything, but if so, why keep these oversized bridges there?
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Old July 20th, 2015, 10:16 PM   #3018
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Kansas City has some weird double-deck bridges. I wonder why, as purely looking into how they fit the maps doesn't provide a good rationale for spending enormous amounts of money to do so.

Examples:
https://goo.gl/maps/fpkYm
https://goo.gl/maps/mz8wg

Were these former combined road-rail bridges?

The area around them looks very derelict and dangerous. I think it is a polder (reclaimed floodplain) with weak flood defenses so not suitable for regeneration or anything, but if so, why keep these oversized bridges there?
The two bridges that you are pointing to are in the immediate vicinity of each other, and form a contiguous path out of downtown.

There are no immediately evident railroad rights of way leading up to either of them.

When we look to the west side of these bridges we find Central Avenue, with the following characteristics:

1) not following the local street grid and swerving around

2) seemingly having higher priority over the other streets in the area

3) having other streets branching off like tree branches rather than at right angles

4) being wider than other nearby streets

5) having a bus line running the length

When we look to the east of the bridges, we find them feeding into 12th street, a relatively important downtown commercial strip.

All of these are indicators that we are looking at a former streetcar line, which once had its own right of way and operated on separate levels of the bridges. What we see today is merely its faded legacy.
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DDI

A new diverging diamond interchange (DDI) opened to traffic in suburban Kansas City. It is at the K-10 / Ridgeview Road interchange. It replaced a standard diamond interchange.

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Oh man...

You'd think there would be a tube or sign hanging from a cable before those tunnels to warn people first.

That's an obscenely low underpass. I am slightly taller than 1.8 meters and I wonder if I could safely ride under that on a bike. Insane.
I can totally see someone with a rental truck slamming into that bridge. '
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