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Old December 6th, 2015, 10:35 PM   #3161
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And the last few. Very scenic drive.

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Heading back west:

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Old December 7th, 2015, 06:19 PM   #3162
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Re 175 and 375 in Saint Petersburg: Yes, they're arguably just long ramps (like the "Ohio Street Ramp" in Chicago) or, pairs of ramps. But one justification for numbering them may be to distinguish them from each other.

Re toll roads without Interstate designations: Originally, Interstates were in fact supposed to be toll-free. (I saw the item in the Interstate thread about the new/rebuilt I-65 bridges at Louisville being told and my gut reaction was, say what?) And existing toll roads where therefore not going to get Interstate numbers. Eventually, they gave Interstate designations to some toll roads for navigational convenience. But the Garden State Parkway once you get south of the Turnpike is sort of a dead end....

Re Parkways: The Natchez Trace may be less a way to get to national parks then a historically significant road in its own right...maybe they felt building a parkway was the best way to preserve it and permit the public to experience it? Just guessing.

Re Jersey: It has C roads? Does it really need them? How many C roads are there in Great Britain proper for that matter?

Re unsigned Interstates: I totally agree. If you're not going to sign them, don't designate them. Although I gather GPSes (personally, I don't use such newfangled contraptions) recognize some of them....

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Old December 7th, 2015, 08:57 PM   #3163
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Well as far as highways in NJ go: I've found that the Turnpike, AC Expwy, GS Parkway, etc are as good as (if not better than) Interstates, in terms of quality. Some of these have natural designations:

Designate the AC Expwy I-76. This is a total no-brainer as I-76 runs directly into the Expressway anyway.

One can also argue along similar lines for designating NJ-55 an extension of I-676, though that road ends just past Millville, and most of its users want to go to Wildwood, a fair distance away. (I'd also argue, therefore, that it should be extended to the Garden State Parkway.)

The NJ Turnpike is being designated I-95 from its current I-95 designation south to where it meets I-276, which is being redesignated I-95 over to where it meets I-95 in PA (which is getting a new interchange). South of that, I have no clue what you would designate it as. It essentially functions as an express highway of I-295, but if you wanted to designate "Local 295" and "Express 295" you'd have to build a direct interchange between I-295 and the NJ Turnpike somewhere around where I-276 is. This suggests an I-276/I-295 interchange?

I wouldn't quite say that the Garden State Parkway goes nowhere. It is, after all, heavily used all the way down to Cape May. But giving it a designation is hard. Maybe I-987, since it can be interpreted as a spur off a spur of I-87 (which would work even better if you upgraded NJ-17 to Interstate standards and redesignated it I-87) and signing a road I-987 is fun in a silly kind of way?

As far as the St. Petersburg highways ... both of those spurs should be removed and converted into boulevards IMO. They're stub highways.
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Old December 8th, 2015, 02:36 AM   #3164
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I dunno. I think the concept of "intrastate" Interstates is pretty silly... I'd even think of converting all local spur and loop routes to state numbers...
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Old December 8th, 2015, 04:52 AM   #3165
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I dunno. I think the concept of "intrastate" Interstates is pretty silly...
... especially in Hawaii.
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Old December 8th, 2015, 10:30 AM   #3166
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You can travel on scenic routes pretty much all the way from Washignton to New Orleands (mainly on Blue Ridge and Natchez Trace parkways).

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What is the status of that highway project in Dallas to follow the Trinity river?
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Old December 8th, 2015, 03:30 PM   #3167
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I dunno. I think the concept of "intrastate" Interstates is pretty silly... I'd even think of converting all local spur and loop routes to state numbers...
I don't think 'intrastate' Interstate Highways are really bad. Although they run in only one state, they usually are an important connection within the Interstate Highway network. For example renumbering I-45 in Texas to a state highway would seem weird.
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Old December 8th, 2015, 03:55 PM   #3168
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The complaint against intrastate interstates is a silly semantic one.

Interstate refers to the network (OK, there's some Alaska, Hawaii and Puerto Rico issues where the Interstates don't connect with the rest of the network), rather than the road. I-45 in TX, etc are all part of the Interstate network even if the road itself doesn't leave the state. Same goes for 3dis.
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Old December 8th, 2015, 10:14 PM   #3169
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(OK, there's some Alaska, Hawaii and Puerto Rico issues where the Interstates don't connect with the rest of the network)
Ah but you are evidently forgetting the full name my dear fellow.

the "National System of Interstate and Defense Highways"

If it connects 2 National Guard armouries either side of a mountain in Idaho it can get an I number for itself.
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Old December 8th, 2015, 10:21 PM   #3170
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US 92, Tampa, FL

A plan seems to be moving forward to construct elevated toll lanes along Gandy Boulevard (US 92) in Tampa. It would allow a free-flow connection from the Gandy Bridge to the Selmon Expressway.

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news...ct_extens.html

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Old December 9th, 2015, 09:22 AM   #3171
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So nobody could cheat and use that free US92!
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Old December 11th, 2015, 03:09 AM   #3172
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Any chance for Everett Turnpike and Northwest Expressway to be designated as I-89? That would make I-89+QC A-35 truly a Montreal-Boston Highway
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Old December 11th, 2015, 03:56 AM   #3173
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Any chance for Everett Turnpike and Northwest Expressway to be designated as I-89? That would make I-89+QC A-35 truly a Montreal-Boston Highway
Probably about as likely as my proposed NJ designations upthread ... that is to say, not very likely.
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Old December 11th, 2015, 03:39 PM   #3174
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The entire Metroplex is experiencing a massive infrastructure overhaul. Nearly every freeway in Dallas and Fort Worth is being entirely restructured. Many projects have not even started yet. What is happening is DFW has become the central logistics hub for the entire Western Hemisphere. Thanks in part to geographical location and the DFW International Airport and major rail lines, DFW is the official logistics capitol of North and South America now.

Now, here are some photographs of freeway construction in Fort Worth from October:










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Old December 11th, 2015, 03:49 PM   #3175
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What is the status of that highway project in Dallas to follow the Trinity river?
The Trinity River Toll Road has been meeting tremendous opposition from the local community. However, the road will be built:

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August 12, 2015, the Dallas City Council voted unanimously to approve the following amendment regarding the Trinity Parkway and Trinity Lakes funding



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Old December 11th, 2015, 05:05 PM   #3176
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Hampton Roads Crossing

Alternative D of the Hampton Roads Crossing study in Virginia.



* Alternative A: widening I-64 to six lanes
* Alternative B: widening I-64 to six lanes + new connection to Craney Island and SR-164
* Alternative C: widening I-664 to eight lanes + new connection to Naval Station Norfolk
* Alternative D: combination of B+C.

Project website: http://hamptonroadscrossingstudy.org/
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Old December 11th, 2015, 06:53 PM   #3177
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Can we have a complete map of the projects around DFW?
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Old December 12th, 2015, 01:43 AM   #3178
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Alternative D of the Hampton Roads Crossing study in Virginia.

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Good to see, the traffic congestion in this region is terrible, especially on the I-64 side and even (maybe especially) on the municipal network.
They put tolls up all over the place in the past few years but haven't really built anything yet...
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Old December 12th, 2015, 03:42 AM   #3179
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so what would that become? Big Dig Portsmouth Edition? or all of it would be elevated / on reclaimed land?
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Old December 12th, 2015, 04:35 AM   #3180
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I would expect anything over water to involve tunnels (maybe interspersed with bridges) because of the Navy wanting to pass around (like most other crossings)
Probably mostly reclaimed land on that small N-S road connecting extended 564 to 164 (I think that "island" is all reclaimed, too square to be real...)

Portsmouth has a really nice and small city centre. I remember going there at night but getting surprised by the monument "to our Confederate dead." - I was like "ah yes, this is the South "
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