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Old March 30th, 2010, 10:28 PM   #721
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There not true expressways , they have traffic lights and stores on them , so there basically Major Roads with some highway features.
any divided highway is an 'expressway'.

a divided highway with limited access (interchanges) is a 'freeway'.

so an expressway CAN have traffic lights and stores (california state route 12 in santa rosa is an expressway for part of its route thru town), but freeways can not.
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Old March 30th, 2010, 10:50 PM   #722
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I note that there is an 'I-86' shield on an overhead BGS in one of those images. Is that there in error or has that part of NY 17 officially become I-86? I am aware that NYSDOT only has one or two short parts to go before all of NY 17 is fully up to interstate standards and that it already is I-86 at least as far east as Elmira.

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any divided highway is an 'expressway'.

a divided highway with limited access (interchanges) is a 'freeway'.

so an expressway CAN have traffic lights and stores (california state route 12 in santa rosa is an expressway for part of its route thru town), but freeways can not.
True although it varies

Now heres the rest.

Garden State Parkway - Montvale,NJ

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Hillsdale,NJ

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Washington Township,NJ (My town

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Thats it for now i hope you all enjoyed.

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Old March 31st, 2010, 11:02 AM   #723
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NJ17 between I80 and I287 doesn't have traffic lights and neither does NJ4 from the GW bridge to the GSP. They're both divided highways, but of course not technically expressways in the sense that word is used in the NYC area, because of the stores, driveways, side streets, etc.

But they are clearly a class above other regular state routes with no divider, traffic lights, left turns, etc. Some buses from the port authority to upstate NY actually take Rt17 to reach the thruway, even though they don't make any stops along the way there.

So my question was how can you tell these divided, no traffic lights pseudo-expressways apart from the rest?
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Old March 31st, 2010, 06:36 PM   #724
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Old April 1st, 2010, 09:14 AM   #725
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NJ17 between I80 and I287 doesn't have traffic lights and neither does NJ4 from the GW bridge to the GSP. They're both divided highways, but of course not technically expressways in the sense that word is used in the NYC area, because of the stores, driveways, side streets, etc.

But they are clearly a class above other regular state routes with no divider, traffic lights, left turns, etc. Some buses from the port authority to upstate NY actually take Rt17 to reach the thruway, even though they don't make any stops along the way there.

So my question was how can you tell these divided, no traffic lights pseudo-expressways apart from the rest?
True , although the PA buses use CR aswell and interstates. i don't why it isn't marked , or why google hasn't come up with a new type of Marking for those types of roads.

Heres a trip form January i forgot to post.
NY 55 East near Liberty,NY

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Near Grahamsville,NY

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Later on CR 19 / Claryville Road North

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Old April 1st, 2010, 09:45 AM   #726
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any divided highway is an 'expressway'.

a divided highway with limited access (interchanges) is a 'freeway'.

so an expressway CAN have traffic lights and stores (california state route 12 in santa rosa is an expressway for part of its route thru town), but freeways can not.
Interestingly, NOBODY, but NOBODY here in Wisconsin nor Illinois will EVER call an interstate or compatible highway that charges a toll for its use a 'freeway', it is a 'tollway'. If anyone in Chicagoland hears you calling a 'tollway' a 'freeway', they'll tie you up and throw you into the first barge to the Mississippi!



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Old April 1st, 2010, 10:33 AM   #727
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The freeway doesn't mean it's free of use (no tolls), but free flow. But I can see calling a toll road a freeway would be a bit weird.
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Old April 1st, 2010, 07:48 PM   #728
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here in northern cali if a freeway charges a toll its called a bridge

chris is right about 'free' referring to free-flow. to avoid confusion, toll roads are usually called one of the following:
a toll road (duh), tollway, turnpike, pike, toll highway or an express toll route

im not entirely sure but i think people generally say tollway in the midwest and tex, while the east coast uses turnpike
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Old April 1st, 2010, 10:21 PM   #729
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here in northern cali if a freeway charges a toll its called a bridge

chris is right about 'free' referring to free-flow. to avoid confusion, toll roads are usually called one of the following:
a toll road (duh), tollway, turnpike, pike, toll highway or an express toll route

im not entirely sure but i think people generally say tollway in the midwest and tex, while the east coast uses turnpike
The only "turnpike" in the Roanoke area is the Salem Turnpike, and it's located in a part of the country where tolls are the epic abomination of highways. Naturally it's just a tollway in name, there are no tolls around here.
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There are also union turnpike and jericho turnpike in nyc. Both are free, but not freeways.
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There were many roads that predate even the US Highway system that used to be toll roads, called Turnpikes in the early 1900's.
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Old April 2nd, 2010, 12:44 AM   #732
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There are also union turnpike and jericho turnpike in nyc. Both are free, but not freeways.
Most are 1x2 or 2x2 Roads , the snake through the older suburbs , usually running parallel to Railway.

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There were many roads that predate even the US Highway system that used to be toll roads, called Turnpikes in the early 1900's.
Correct , some even older then that.

Heres a trip for a month ago , just after a Snowstorm.

Washington Ave North : Dumont,NJ

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Hardenburgh Ave East : Haworth,NJ

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Hardenburgh Ave @ Knickerbocker Road

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Knickerbocker Road North : Haworth,NJ : CR 505

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The Traffic Lights were out , so The Stop Signs were put up.

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CR 502 in Downtown Westwood

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Old April 2nd, 2010, 08:11 PM   #733
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Thats all for now , now i don't have anymore things to share with you guys....
Then get out and take some more pics!

Btw, what is up with your pics' date marks, always changing from european to american date system??
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Old April 3rd, 2010, 06:51 AM   #734
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any divided highway is an 'expressway'.

a divided highway with limited access (interchanges) is a 'freeway'.

so an expressway CAN have traffic lights and stores (california state route 12 in santa rosa is an expressway for part of its route thru town), but freeways can not.
No, an expressway is limited access, because it provides an express route between locations. A divided highway is just that: a divided highway, or simply just a "highway".

"Freeway" is a sometimes incorrect term that is used synonymously with "expressway". What would you call the New Jersey Turnpike, though, since you have to pay to use it? It's not free. This is why "expressway"is the correct term; it encompasses all free limited access roads and toll limited access roads.
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No, an expressway is limited access, because it provides an express route between locations. A divided highway is just that: a divided highway, or simply just a "highway".

"Freeway" is a sometimes incorrect term that is used synonymously with "expressway". What would you call the New Jersey Turnpike, though, since you have to pay to use it? It's not free. This is why "expressway"is the correct term; it encompasses all free limited access roads and toll limited access roads.
But, in the U.S., there are variations on what highways are called based on local differences as opposed to "true" definitions. Example: In Chicago, the term "freeway" is rarely used, even though most of their "expressways", many "free", would be defined as freeways anywhere else. NYC also tends to use the term "expressway", even though most are free limited access. I guess the point is there are regional differences.
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Old April 3rd, 2010, 08:13 AM   #736
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No, an expressway is limited access, because it provides an express route between locations. A divided highway is just that: a divided highway, or simply just a "highway".

"Freeway" is a sometimes incorrect term that is used synonymously with "expressway". What would you call the New Jersey Turnpike, though, since you have to pay to use it? It's not free. This is why "expressway"is the correct term; it encompasses all free limited access roads and toll limited access roads.
an expressway can have limited access, but doesnt HAVE to, therefore it is distinct from a freeway

"Contrary to the belief of most people in the Northeast and Chicago regions, an expressway (as defined by the US Federal Highway Administration and most state departments of transportation) is not the same thing as a freeway." (taken from expresswaysite.com)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expressway *
http://www.expresswaysite.com/

*notice the picture and blurb about california expressways on the right
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From your link:

"However, many states around the Great Lakes region and along the Eastern Seaboard have refused to conform their terminology to the federal definition. The following states officially prefer the term expressway instead of freeway to describe what are technically freeways in federal parlance: Connecticut,[11] Florida,[12] Illinois,[13] Maryland,[14] and West Virginia.[15] In those states, it is common to find Interstate highways which bear the name “expressway.”]"

Exactly my point about regional differences.
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Old April 3rd, 2010, 05:16 PM   #738
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"However, many states around the Great Lakes region and along the Eastern Seaboard have refused to conform their terminology to the federal definition. The following states officially prefer the term expressway instead of freeway to describe what are technically freeways in federal parlance: Connecticut,[11] Florida,[12] Illinois,[13] Maryland,[14] and West Virginia.[15] In those states, it is common to find Interstate highways which bear the name “expressway.”]"

Exactly my point about regional differences.
right. no one is arguing with u here. these states however, in essence, are using the two terms incorrectly by using them interchangeably.
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Then get out and take some more pics!

Btw, what is up with your pics' date marks, always changing from european to american date system??
Johnflint was trying to take the date off , and change around to the European way.....ive been to lazy to change it back.......I will have more photos by monday evening.
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