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Old April 27th, 2010, 03:38 PM   #761
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Here's some NJ 18 Photos i found on Flickr.

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Old April 27th, 2010, 04:28 PM   #762
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I think the original meaning of a freeway (free-flow) has been replaced by the fact that they're toll free. However, you wouldn't call a regular highway or road a freeway, even if they're free of tolls, right?
In Sydney, Australia, that is indeed the case. When only part of the freeway/motorway is tolled, people call it a motorway. For example:
M4 Western Motorway

F3 Freeway (this was always called a freeway, even though it was originally tolled)

For some reason, the UK word motorway is being used for all tollway projects, which is very odd, considering that tollways were also called freeways as well:
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Old April 27th, 2010, 05:00 PM   #763
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My what cheap tolls you got down under! The Chesapeake bay Bridge Tunnel is $15 over here:

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Old April 27th, 2010, 05:03 PM   #764
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Rather compare it to Midwestern Turnpikes instead of a single toll object (bridge/tunnel). The latter are always more expensive than a long-distance toll road.
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Old April 27th, 2010, 05:03 PM   #765
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My what cheap tolls you got down under! The Chesapeake bay Bridge Tunnel is $15 over here:

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15$? wtf , the Max here in NYC is 10$ an thats only on 2 bridges.
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Old April 27th, 2010, 05:16 PM   #766
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15$? wtf , the Max here in NYC is 10$ an thats only on 2 bridges.
Well, the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel is 17 miles long. Now a question, from a native of North Jersey who's toll-adverse (and who rarely gets north of his parents' place and thus hasn't driven in New York south of Suffern in years): what bridges in the New York area are up to 10 bucks now?!
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Old April 27th, 2010, 05:20 PM   #767
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Well, the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel is 17 miles long. Now a question, from a native of North Jersey who's toll-adverse (and who rarely gets north of his parents' place and thus hasn't driven in New York south of Suffern in years): what bridges in the New York area are up to 10 bucks now?!
A few MTA Bridges and Tunnels the rest are 8-10$. Off peak , you can go down as low as 6$ with EZ Pass at certain areas. But that is why i park & ridge via the 1.50$ PATH Train.
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Old April 27th, 2010, 07:10 PM   #768
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Well, the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel is 17 miles long. Now a question, from a native of North Jersey who's toll-adverse (and who rarely gets north of his parents' place and thus hasn't driven in New York south of Suffern in years): what bridges in the New York area are up to 10 bucks now?!
The Verrazano Narrows Bridge since Congress eliminated two-way tolling on bridges in 1986. But a sneaky Staten Island Rep. got the tolls reversed on the VNB so while all NY bridges charge going into the city, the VNB charges going from it into SI. Thus anyone willing to do a little extra driving and put up with a couple lower Jersey tolls can go into town over the VNB, and leave by the tunnels or the GW and skip the MTA tolls. And as a result, it's estimated that since the 1990s, the MTA has lost over $1 billion in revenue from this arrangement. And the MTA is broke! And SI still rides the ferry for free!
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I thought the main reason for the westbound tolls was to avoid Staten Island being gridlocked because of idling traffic at the toll gates. Of course, 90,000 vehicles per day in one direction causes quite some queues at toll gates. Unless you have French-style toll plazas with 25 gates in one direction.
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What other bridges/tunnels except the VNB are at or above $10?
The GWB, Lincoln, Holland Tunnels are all $8 and $6 during off-peak hours with EZ pass.
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I doubt if there are more expensive bridges.

The San Francisco Bay Area bridges are all $ 6 or lower - and only one way. The Sunshine Skyway Bridge and Lake Pontchartrain Causeway are also in the low $ 1 - $ 3 area. The Ambassador Bridge charges $ 4.

That leaves the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel at $ 12.

Of course, tractor-trailers with more than 4 - 5 axles can be over $ 10.
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I thought the main reason for the westbound tolls was to avoid Staten Island being gridlocked because of idling traffic at the toll gates. Of course, 90,000 vehicles per day in one direction causes quite some queues at toll gates. Unless you have French-style toll plazas with 25 gates in one direction.
My parents both grew up on Staten Island, and I still have relatives there. Keeping in mind that Staten Island is one of the five boroughs of New York City, the fact that it's so expensive to travel between Staten Island and the rest of the city is a major, ongoing political issue. Staten Islanders (such as my Aunt E----) would say the discount they get on the Verrazano, and the free ferry rides, are justified by the fact that they're the only borough without subway service (and that they paid full price on the bridge for so long).
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I thought the main reason for the westbound tolls was to avoid Staten Island being gridlocked because of idling traffic at the toll gates. Of course, 90,000 vehicles per day in one direction causes quite some queues at toll gates. Unless you have French-style toll plazas with 25 gates in one direction.
That was the scheme. Susan Molinari got the tolls reversed because of complaints of fumes by SI residents so now all the traffic that used to cross back over the VN goes into Manhattan instead and clogs the Holland and Lincoln Tunnels ruining those neighborhoods with their fumes...while depriving the MTA of revenue.
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What other bridges/tunnels except the VNB are at or above $10?
The GWB, Lincoln, Holland Tunnels are all $8 and $6 during off-peak hours with EZ pass.
Bridges and tunnels that cross the New York-New Jersey state line (the George Washington Bridge, the Lincoln and Holland tunnels, the bridges that connect Staten Island to New Jersey) are run/owned by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey - a two-state agency that also runs the airports (Kennedy, LaGuardia, Newark) and port facilities. Nexis reffered to MTA bridges/tunnels. The MTA is the New York State agency that runs the New York City transit system, the Long Island and MetroNorth railroads... and at some point - maybe in the 90s - took over the toll facilities that run between boroughs of New York City (Verrazano Bridge; Brooklyn-Battery and Queens-Midtown Tunnels; RFK (formerly Triborough), Bronx-Whitestone and Throgs Neck bridges; and I think one or two other bridges connecting the Rockaway Peninsula (in southern Queens) to the north side of Jamaica Bay). They're not Port Authority facilities; before the MTA, they belonged to the Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority. So that's where the $10 tolls would be. As I said to Nexis, I haven't driven in New York City in a long time so I don't know the tolls. It should be easy enough to find.... Google "wikipedia MTA bridges," or something like that.
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15$? wtf , the Max here in NYC is 10$ an thats only on 2 bridges.
One BIG reason why the CBBT has such an expensive toll ($15 in each direction) is to actively discourage suburbanization of the Virginia part of the Delmarva Peninsula at its north end (its south end is right in the middle of the Norfolk/Portsmouth 'Tidewater' metro area). Should that area 'suburbanize', beside the changes in the peninsula's local culture, the crossing will become overburdened. Remember that its two tunnels are still 2x1 single carriageways.

The CBBT also serves as an alternate route for through traffic to avoid transiting the Baltimore, MD and Washington, DC metro areas, so even at that rate, it still has a positive 'value' for that traffic.

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How big is the U.S. highway network?
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Bridges and tunnels that cross the New York-New Jersey state line (the George Washington Bridge, the Lincoln and Holland tunnels, the bridges that connect Staten Island to New Jersey) are run/owned by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey - a two-state agency that also runs the airports (Kennedy, LaGuardia, Newark) and port facilities. Nexis reffered to MTA bridges/tunnels. The MTA is the New York State agency that runs the New York City transit system, the Long Island and MetroNorth railroads... and at some point - maybe in the 90s - took over the toll facilities that run between boroughs of New York City (Verrazano Bridge; Brooklyn-Battery and Queens-Midtown Tunnels; RFK (formerly Triborough), Bronx-Whitestone and Throgs Neck bridges; and I think one or two other bridges connecting the Rockaway Peninsula (in southern Queens) to the north side of Jamaica Bay). They're not Port Authority facilities; before the MTA, they belonged to the Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority. So that's where the $10 tolls would be. As I said to Nexis, I haven't driven in New York City in a long time so I don't know the tolls. It should be easy enough to find.... Google "wikipedia MTA bridges," or something like that.
Here's the MTA toll schedule:
http://www.mta.info/bandt/traffic/btmain.html

And your PA tolls:
http://www.panynj.gov/bridges-tunnel...on-bridge.html
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One BIG reason why the CBBT has such an expensive toll ($15 in each direction) is to actively discourage suburbanization of the Virginia part of the Delmarva Peninsula at its north end (its south end is right in the middle of the Norfolk/Portsmouth 'Tidewater' metro area). Should that area 'suburbanize', beside the changes in the peninsula's local culture, the crossing will become overburdened. Remember that its two tunnels are still 2x1 single carriageways.

The CBBT also serves as an alternate route for through traffic to avoid transiting the Baltimore, MD and Washington, DC metro areas, so even at that rate, it still has a positive 'value' for that traffic.

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When I lived out there, the tolls were still $9 each way for a single span project. It was such an expensive complex back in 1964 that the tolls were the highest anywhere in the US since there was so little traffic especially up to the Delmarva. Now, there are two spans paid for by the egregious tolls and there are seriously expensive new developments in Cape Charles north of the bay. Million dollar luxury golf estates and seaside condos catering to Hampton Roads wealthies.
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Oh and here's the Chessie Bay Bridge Tunnel toll schedule. It's now $17 roundtrip.

http://www.cbbt.com/schedule.html

BTW, it's truly one of the most incredible drives anywhere in the US...almost worth the money!
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How big is the U.S. highway network?
3 million miles, including all classes of road. The Interstate highway network is about 46,000 miles and there is an additional amount of freeway which is not part of the Interstate highway system. (I have not attempted a count of non-Interstate freeway mileage, and this information is not readily available from FHWA tables because the "principal arterial" classification can also include expressways with some flat intersections and is not subdivided into freeways and other roads, but I would be very surprised if the total mileage of non-Interstate freeway were greater than 10,000.)
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