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Old April 27th, 2010, 09:23 PM   #781
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Ouch! So the Verrazano and all of what the MTA calls "major crossings" are $11.00 round trip (without EZ Pass); the difference is that on the Verrazano the full 11 bucks is collected westbound.
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Old April 27th, 2010, 09:34 PM   #782
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(I have not attempted a count of non-Interstate freeway mileage, and this information is not readily available from FHWA tables because the "principal arterial" classification can also include expressways with some flat intersections and is not subdivided into freeways and other roads, but I would be very surprised if the total mileage of non-Interstate freeway were greater than 10,000.)
I've tried it!

Using the Rand McNally atlas, I got to 59,409 miles or 95,589 kilometers of freeway-grade roads, including all Interstate Highways, excluding multiplexes.

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Old April 27th, 2010, 09:51 PM   #783
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Ouch! So the Verrazano and all of what the MTA calls "major crossings" are $11.00 round trip (without EZ Pass); the difference is that on the Verrazano the full 11 bucks is collected westbound.
No. The other major MTA crossings are $5.50. Only the VNB is $11.
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Old April 28th, 2010, 12:26 AM   #784
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No. The other major MTA crossings are $5.50. Only the VNB is $11.
They're all $11.00 round trip*: Only at the Verrazano does the table specify one-way tolling. (Or whatever the exact wording was; it's three hours since I looked at it.)

This may seem bizarre to someone not from the New York area, but in my experience, New York-area toll authorities think in round trips (look at the New York-to-New Jersey bridges and tunnels, which are free westbound) - they obviously meant to charge the same rate for all of them; it's just that on the Verrazano, unlike the others, the toll booths are only in one direction. That's why the Verrazano's rates in the table are precisely double the others. News coverage of toll increases will likewise talk in round trips.

The opposite way to look at it would be that the Verrazano's really a $5.50 toll, not $11.00. Or at least to say "...but it's free the other direction."

*If we operate on the assumption that anyone entering Long Island (including Brooklyn and Queens) via a toll bridge or tunnel is going to have to leave it the same way. They can avoid doing so by using the old, free bridges to Manhattan.
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Old April 28th, 2010, 06:45 AM   #785
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They're all $11.00 round trip*: Only at the Verrazano does the table specify one-way tolling. (Or whatever the exact wording was; it's three hours since I looked at it.)

This may seem bizarre to someone not from the New York area, but in my experience, New York-area toll authorities think in round trips (look at the New York-to-New Jersey bridges and tunnels, which are free westbound) - they obviously meant to charge the same rate for all of them; it's just that on the Verrazano, unlike the others, the toll booths are only in one direction. That's why the Verrazano's rates in the table are precisely double the others. News coverage of toll increases will likewise talk in round trips.

The opposite way to look at it would be that the Verrazano's really a $5.50 toll, not $11.00. Or at least to say "...but it's free the other direction."

*If we operate on the assumption that anyone entering Long Island (including Brooklyn and Queens) via a toll bridge or tunnel is going to have to leave it the same way. They can avoid doing so by using the old, free bridges to Manhattan.
The thing is, it is quite possible to enter NYC from the west in a car without passing through a tollgate - cross the Hudson at US 9/20 in Albany (the southernmost 'free' crossing) and take US 9 southward to NYC (or work your way over to the Taconic Parkway on local roads and then on south).

Heading west from NYC, cross the Hudson from Manhattan into New Jersey at any crossing (*free* that way) and then either head north into New York State on non-interstates (ie, NJ 23) to either I-84 or NY 17/I-86 *or* take US 1 southward into the Trenton area and cross into Pennsylvania on I-95 (Scudders Falls Bridge) and continue on to the west.

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Old April 28th, 2010, 03:53 PM   #786
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I've tried it!
You would. :-)
At least tell us you did that years or months ago, as opposed to working it out at record speed after the question was posed yesterday....
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Old April 28th, 2010, 03:59 PM   #787
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The thing is, it is quite possible to enter NYC from the west in a car without passing through a tollgate - cross the Hudson at US 9/20 in Albany (the southernmost 'free' crossing) and take US 9 southward to NYC (or work your way over to the Taconic Parkway on local roads and then on south).

Heading west from NYC, cross the Hudson from Manhattan into New Jersey at any crossing (*free* that way) and then either head north into New York State on non-interstates (ie, NJ 23) to either I-84 or NY 17/I-86 *or* take US 1 southward into the Trenton area and cross into Pennsylvania on I-95 (Scudders Falls Bridge) and continue on to the west.

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So you're trying to avoid the 75 cents on I-78 (and is it that on I-80 as well?) crossing from New Jersey to Pennsylvania? There's actually a free bridge from Phillipsburg, N.J., to Easton, Pa. (the area where I-78 and US 22 cross) which isn't that hard to find....

The point I was trying to make is that just saying the Verrazano costs $11.00 and the other MTA crossings cost $5.50 doesn't tell the whole story.

And going through Albany to avoid a toll seems excessive for North Jersey commuters. :-)

By the way, between the eastbound tolls at most New Jersey-to-New York crossings and the westbound ones at most New Jersey-to-Pennsylvania (or -Delaware) crossings, there's a joke in these parts that New Jersey is the only state you have to pay to get out of. I was born and raised in New Jersey so I'm allowed to say it.

One more thing: enjoy the free Scudders Falls Bridge now. It's about to be rebuilt (wider), as a toll bridge.
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Old April 28th, 2010, 11:37 PM   #788
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U.S. Highway 12 in Madison, WI. This stretch is freeway-grade and is locally known as "The Beltline". Pictures were taken earlier today.







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Old April 30th, 2010, 06:29 AM   #789
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I've never seen that "AHEAD" legend before. I don't like it. Clearview, though. points for that.
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Old April 30th, 2010, 06:40 AM   #790
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Thanks. I have a wonderful camera for an 18 year old amateur photographer.
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Old April 30th, 2010, 11:49 AM   #791
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Clearview, though. points for that.
Apparently, the American roadgeek community is not very fond of the Clearview font. I myself like it though, although I doubt if it was REALLY necessary to replace the good 'ol Interstate font.
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Old April 30th, 2010, 06:51 PM   #792
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So i took a Ride up NJ 208 yesterday

Entering NJ 208 North

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End of NJ 208

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Old April 30th, 2010, 10:24 PM   #793
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Apparently, the American roadgeek community is not very fond of the Clearview font. I myself like it though, although I doubt if it was REALLY necessary to replace the good 'ol Interstate font.
I like it too. IMO it's just as effective as the traditional font, but it's better with lowercase L's for places with lots of I's and L's in quick succession, like "Williamsville" or something.
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Old May 1st, 2010, 03:46 AM   #794
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I like it too. IMO it's just as effective as the traditional font, but it's better with lowercase L's for places with lots of I's and L's in quick succession, like "Williamsville" or something.
I like Clearview myself.

If I ever get back into photo-feature mode, I'll post some pics of the new font that's appearing in Atlanta. It looks like the work of a kindergartener.
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I like Clearview myself.

If I ever get back into photo-feature mode, I'll post some pics of the new font that's appearing in Atlanta. It looks like the work of a kindergartener.
Series E Modified? I thought Georgia was going back to this with all the new signage. That's a welcome change if you ask me.
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Series E Modified? I thought Georgia was going back to this with all the new signage. That's a welcome change if you ask me.
If there was no such thing as Clearview, maybe. But there is. Plus, they've gone to undersized exit number tabs indexed to the side on which the exit is located, which I prefer. But-- they put a black-on-yellow "LEFT" tab above the ones on the left, which defeats the purpose of indexing!

It's embarassing. I really should get some pics. Maybe when the 14th/17th Street interchange is done in a few months.
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If there was no such thing as Clearview, maybe. But there is. Plus, they've gone to undersized exit number tabs indexed to the side on which the exit is located, which I prefer. But-- they put a black-on-yellow "LEFT" tab above the ones on the left, which defeats the purpose of indexing!

It's embarassing. I really should get some pics. Maybe when the 14th/17th Street interchange is done in a few months.
I like those new left tabs. They catch your attention, and while I like Clearview, Series E Modified has its classic charm. I think regardless of which font they choose, it's a welcome change.
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In Michigan they don't have money to pave any roads, but somehow they got the Clearview signs up way before any other place in the Midwest.
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In Michigan they don't have money to pave any roads, but somehow they got the Clearview signs up way before any other place in the Midwest.
When I was in Michigan in the Winter of '08, I was on I-94, and I was afraid of my car falling apart. I was doing 120-130kmh, and I couldn't believe how torn up the road was. And the way they fill potholes is horrible. All they did was throw asphalt over the potholes and let the traffic smooth it out.
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Apparently, the American roadgeek community is not very fond of the Clearview font. I myself like it though, although I doubt if it was REALLY necessary to replace the good 'ol Interstate font.
The American roadgeek community tends to be fairly conservative, and dislikes change simply because it's different.
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