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Old November 17th, 2011, 06:35 PM   #1381
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Wonder why they don't? That Station Square area at the north end of it is enough of a destination to generate the traffic. Capacity issues?

(The Wikipedia article, by the way, is very opinionated.)
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Old November 18th, 2011, 12:30 AM   #1382
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Wonder why they don't? That Station Square area at the north end of it is enough of a destination to generate the traffic. Capacity issues?
The article Wikipedia links to explains it better:

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Also, the Federal Transit Administration required the authority to finish and make use of the tunnel as part of a "full-funding agreement" for the West Busway.

The Wabash Tunnel was part of the original $326 million busway project, which also included a new Monongahela River bridge. Increasing costs, railroad right-of-way problems and community opposition to the bridge prompted the authority to scale things back.

If the authority had failed to meet its commitment to open the tunnel, the FTA could have required it to repay the 80 percent federal funding for the busway...

The tunnel had been forecast to attract 4,500 vehicles a day by 2015, a number officials said was predicated on other factors like connecting the south end to Banksville Road.
Looks as though FTA dropped the ball by insisting that the Port Authority pursue a project that downscoping rendered unviable. They really should let the Port Authority off the hook.

I agree that opening it to all vehicles is preferable closing the thing for good-- it could come in handy as an alternate route in case of closure of the other tunnels. But FTA has to approve, and somebody will have to pay the bill for upkeep.

BTW, what a screwy looking bridge. I wonder why it doesn't curve smoothly:
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Old November 18th, 2011, 09:34 PM   #1383
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US 41 (WI) update

(cues: Mormon Tabernacle Choir - Chorus from Handel's 'Messiah')

No article links handy, but WisDOT has just completed and opened all six lanes on US 41 from the south end of the 'Construction-geek zone' upgrade project (just south of WI 26) to just south of WI 21 in Oshkosh, WI.

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http://www.511wi.gov/Web/Cameras.asp...lter=Winnebago
especially the cameras for US 41 at WI 26, WI 44 and 9th Ave.





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Old November 19th, 2011, 08:05 PM   #1385
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Old November 20th, 2011, 02:43 AM   #1386
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Those pics of the Alaska highways are great. America is the best
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Old November 23rd, 2011, 09:10 AM   #1388
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I'm surprised nobody has posted this earlier:
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Drivers rejoice as ICC halves Laurel-Gaithersburg travel time

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Old November 23rd, 2011, 11:30 AM   #1389
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First step to a second beltway of Washington D.C., which was already considered necessary in the 1970's.
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Old November 23rd, 2011, 03:43 PM   #1390
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I didn't know it was open - haven't been down that way since early October. Very remiss of me.
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Old November 23rd, 2011, 06:30 PM   #1391
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First step to a second beltway of Washington D.C., which was already considered necessary in the 1970's.
I don't think there is going to be a second beltway in Washington for a long, long time.

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Old November 24th, 2011, 10:59 PM   #1392
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(cues: Mormon Tabernacle Choir - Chorus from Handel's 'Messiah')

No article links handy, but WisDOT has just completed and opened all six lanes on US 41 from the south end of the 'Construction-geek zone' upgrade project (just south of WI 26) to just south of WI 21 in Oshkosh, WI.

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especially the cameras for US 41 at WI 26, WI 44 and 9th Ave.





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It needs to be 2x3 all the way down to Fond du Lac, at least. I'm frequently stuck doing 50-55mph between Fondy and Oshkosh.

The new section is nice though.
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Old November 25th, 2011, 02:31 AM   #1393
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First step to a second beltway of Washington D.C., which was already considered necessary in the 1970's.
Build that and a third one will be needed and then a fourth. At some point there needs to be a cessation to suburban development and a migration back to the city to protect this planet's air, water, and remaining arable land.
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Old November 25th, 2011, 02:42 AM   #1394
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I don't think there is going to be a second beltway in Washington for a long, long time.
There already is in Virginia. SR 28 serves as part of the outer beltway from SR 7 to I-66 with the Prince William Parkway serving as the beltway from I-66 to I-95.
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Old November 25th, 2011, 04:49 AM   #1395
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That project was badly funded and has now bankrupted the states transportation fund.... And ppl aren't too pleased with that , hopefully they can suck the toll $$$ and put the $$$ back into the Trans Fund...otherwise alot of Rail and Bridge projects will be put on hold...
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Old November 25th, 2011, 06:15 AM   #1396
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Who's running the ICC - the same agency (back in the day it was called the Maryland DOT's Toll Facilities division) that runs the Baltimore tunnels, Susquehanna bridges and Bay Bridge?
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Build that and a third one will be needed and then a fourth. At some point there needs to be a cessation to suburban development and a migration back to the city to protect this planet's air, water, and remaining arable land.
Nonsense. Not building a new beltway has never stopped suburban development. Washington D.C. itself is a good example of that. You can't tell people to shut up and move into a city against their will. What's up with these authoritarian-loving people on SSC?
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Old November 26th, 2011, 06:39 PM   #1398
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Nonsense. Not building a new beltway has never stopped suburban development. Washington D.C. itself is a good example of that. You can't tell people to shut up and move into a city against their will. What's up with these authoritarian-loving people on SSC?
If this opinion piece in today's New York Times is right (and I'm inclined to think it is, and the writer provides data), it wouldn't take authoritarianism to concentrate future urban growth in cities and older suburbs:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/26/op...burb.html?_r=1
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If this opinion piece in today's New York Times is right (and I'm inclined to think it is, and the writer provides data), it wouldn't take authoritarianism to concentrate future urban growth in cities and older suburbs:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/26/op...burb.html?_r=1
He writes about a 100% market-based trend that has been in the works for some time now, which is 100% different from the 'make people move HERE!' attitude of the (so-called) 'enlightened' elites that many here in SSCland hold and champion. Transport facilities follow the market, not the other way around.

IMHO, the 2008 real estate crash was the result of a mostly government-made souffle that was in the works ever since FDR's New Deal™ days of the 1930s and baked in an oven that had been constantly stoked, fueled and expanded ever since. It did not start under GWB, the souffle just finally fell under him.

It will be interesting to see how things go forward demographically and politically as these market-based trends play themselves out.

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Well, without getting into Bush and Roosevelt (something had to be done in 1933, surely...), ...well, let me just say that I didn't read any authoritarianism in the post Chris was objecting to (but that's between him and Hoosier so I didn't say so at the time), and I think he was mistaken - or at least behind the times - in assuming sprawl is what people (or "the market") want if they're left alone. And you can't say government had no role in encouraging it. But we got good roads out of those policies, so fine.

And SSCland is not without its committed champions of sprawl. ;-)
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