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Old January 3rd, 2012, 06:46 PM   #1481
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$18.60?

And I thought New York-area bridges were bad....
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Old January 4th, 2012, 08:42 AM   #1482
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I was looking into the tolls of the E-470, the Denver outer beltway. It's a toll road, but I don't get why the tolls are so freaking expensive for a toll road without any major bridges and that runs across flat unpopulated prairies.

The tolls are $ 18.60 for license plate tolls and $ 15.45 with a transponder. That's almost $ 0.40 per mile for the license plate tolls and $ 0.33 per mile with a transponder.

This is MUCH more expensive than other toll roads in the United States (save for bridges and tunnels). Most toll roads in the U.S. charge less than 10 cents per mile, sometimes as low as 4 or 5 cents.
UGH! Yet one of many screwed up things in the C-470, E-470, Northwest parkway saga.......
No one would ever enter at 36 and drive the entire nw parkway section via E-470 to reach I-25 south. Unless I-25 through central Denver were to shut down for some reason. I've been on it a number of times and E-470 is only good to reach DIA in my opinion or to reach I-70 on the East side if you are heading East towards Kansas... I think it's pretty desolate for a half assed beltway.
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Old January 10th, 2012, 09:44 PM   #1483
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I thought that in the US centre lines were always white but I guess not
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Old January 11th, 2012, 12:32 AM   #1484
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I thought that in the US centre lines were always white but I guess not
This is rather strange, indeed.
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Old January 11th, 2012, 09:49 PM   #1485
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I thought that in the US centre lines were always yellow but I guess not
This "road" is located behind the MGM Grand in Las Vegas and is most likely a private road maintained by the casino. I suspect the white center line was a mistake made by whoever striped the road (casino maintenance staff or contractor... *not* anyone connected to a DOT).
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Old January 14th, 2012, 04:44 PM   #1486
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Dalton highway.
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Old January 16th, 2012, 03:33 AM   #1487
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This "road" is located behind the MGM Grand in Las Vegas and is most likely a private road maintained by the casino. I suspect the white center line was a mistake made by whoever striped the road (casino maintenance staff or contractor... *not* anyone connected to a DOT).
Yes, the service roads around the casinos are on private property, so they can mark them anyway they want.

As for the Alaska post, just beautiful. A reminder there are still parts of our country that still have rugged, undeveloped highways. Certainly a challenge to drivers, but unlike Ice Road reality tv, I would only recommend in summer for most.
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Old January 16th, 2012, 10:08 AM   #1488
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The new Dallas North Tollway / Sam Rayburn Tollway (SH 121) stack in Frisco.

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Old January 16th, 2012, 04:38 PM   #1489
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Impressive, also IKEA's parking that is full.
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Old January 17th, 2012, 08:46 AM   #1490
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^but the roads are empty!
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Old January 17th, 2012, 02:46 PM   #1491
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I'm sure if it were rush hour, those roads would paint an entirely different picture.
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Old January 17th, 2012, 03:08 PM   #1492
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I doubt that, as both roads are toll roads, which tend to be less congested. As far as I know the DNT / PGBT interchange is a much bigger problem.

The looks of these interchanges are also somewhat deceptive, these Dallas interchanges appear much larger than they actually are due to the massive flyovers. Most flyovers in the Dallas area have only one lane and both the DNT and SRT have a modest six through lanes.
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Old January 17th, 2012, 05:07 PM   #1494
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good shots!

is it me or there's a massive "tollification" of road projects in the US?
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Old January 17th, 2012, 05:12 PM   #1495
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is it me or there's a massive "tollification" of road projects in the US?
Yes. The gas tax revenues are dwindling while the cost of maintenance and expansion of the road network continues to go up. As long as the American public is not willing to pay a significantly higher gas tax, toll roads and HOT lanes are the (only) way to go.
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Old January 17th, 2012, 05:54 PM   #1496
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Not only that but because the vehicles themselves are becoming more fuel efficient, that means the dollar amount many states recieve from the gas tax is decreasing.

Anyways I think people need to pull their heads out of their respective asses, and realize that building and maintaining critical infastructure (ie roads, sewers, power lines, mass transit, etc) isn't cheap.
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Old January 17th, 2012, 06:00 PM   #1497
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I've read that TXDOT requires 3 times more state tax gas revenue to provide funding for the current mobility needs. It's not about a few percent more gas tax, it's about radically increasing it, or create other revenue streams, such as an annual road tax. For instance $ 500 per year for an average passenger vehicle.

I'm in favor of transferring all gas taxes to the state. The federal gas tax doesn't make sense anymore now that the Interstate Highway is completed and the necessary federal component has largely fallen away in the past 30 years. The roads, including Interstates, are already under the control of the states, why not the necessary funding too?
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Old January 18th, 2012, 02:23 AM   #1498
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I'm in favor of transferring all gas taxes to the state. The federal gas tax doesn't make sense anymore now that the Interstate Highway is completed and the necessary federal component has largely fallen away in the past 30 years. The roads, including Interstates, are already under the control of the states, why not the necessary funding too?
The federal funds are useful to get states to act together in projects that interest both of them. Moreover, the Federal Government own a dozen thousand miles of roads, like those within Nationa Parks and Reserves and military areas, and many non-Interstate roads located in BLM lands.

Federal road funds are also used to enforce laws like seatbelt, no under-21 drinking, compulsory cameras on the rear for SUVs starting from 2014 etc.
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Old January 18th, 2012, 11:07 AM   #1499
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The federal funds are useful to get states to act together in projects that interest both of them.
I think the problem is states wait far too long to do maintenance so they can get federal funding.
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Old January 19th, 2012, 02:44 AM   #1500
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