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Old May 19th, 2012, 07:21 PM   #1641
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Is there any new photos of the Margaret Hunt Hill Bridge over the Trinity River?
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Old May 21st, 2012, 04:27 AM   #1642
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Drove over a bunch of highways today...

US 1/9 Pulaski Skyway Southbound

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Old May 21st, 2012, 04:36 AM   #1643
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Old May 21st, 2012, 05:53 PM   #1644
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VERY NICE PICTURES JUST WOW. BEAUTIFUL. BEST COUNTRY TO DRIVE IN IS IN THE U.S.
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Old May 22nd, 2012, 09:49 PM   #1645
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no it isn't : roads with potholes, poor pavement, decaying bridges ; and the drivers : one of the worst countries for highway fatalities amid western countries : lax enforcement, poor driving skills, speeding and tailgating, no turn signal usage, no seatbelt use at the rear seats, no helmet laws in retarded states, sobriety check points forbidden in many states, drunk driving widespread, and so on, leads to approximately 40 000 deaths each year. This is America. And : nobody cares.
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Old May 23rd, 2012, 02:13 AM   #1646
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no it isn't : roads with potholes, poor pavement, decaying bridges ; and the drivers : one of the worst countries for highway fatalities amid western countries : lax enforcement, poor driving skills, speeding and tailgating, no turn signal usage, no seatbelt use at the rear seats, no helmet laws in retarded states, sobriety check points forbidden in many states, drunk driving widespread, and so on, leads to approximately 40 000 deaths each year. This is America. And : nobody cares.

You don't know what you are talking about I am from crazy socialist europe, sweden to be more accurate and thats sound you are talking about europe rather then the U.S so don't come and talk about poor roads etc etc because I am in the U.S every year.

Go to europe then you will see S.H.I.T. If you live in europe you know what I am talking about
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Old May 23rd, 2012, 04:28 AM   #1647
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no it isn't : roads with potholes, poor pavement, decaying bridges ; and the drivers : one of the worst countries for highway fatalities amid western countries : lax enforcement, poor driving skills, speeding and tailgating, no turn signal usage, no seatbelt use at the rear seats, no helmet laws in retarded states, sobriety check points forbidden in many states, drunk driving widespread, and so on, leads to approximately 40 000 deaths each year. This is America. And : nobody cares.
At least half of what you said applies to Europe, America is nowhere near perfect and its infrastructure should be better. You can't sit here and tell me its not impressive especially with how many roads we have that were built with incredible engineering.
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Old May 23rd, 2012, 04:40 AM   #1648
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At least half of what you said applies to Europe, America is nowhere near perfect and its infrastructure should be better. You can't sit here and tell me its not impressive especially with how many roads we have that were built with incredible engineering.
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AND BUILD MORE INFRASTRUCTURE. THATS THE WAY OUT OF DEPRESSION
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Old May 23rd, 2012, 05:10 AM   #1649
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Road quality in the U.S. is on average worse than Western Europe. Part of it is the extreme continental climate in much of the U.S. That's why the sunbelt tends to have smoother roads. But some cold states like Ohio get it right, while some are hopeless like Michigan. But even in places like Michigan, the scale of the road infrastructure exceeds what you see in most of Western Europe. The roads in the U.S., even if they're a little rough on the ground, are just more "interesting" for the purposes of our discussions here.

And yeah, you're right, there's more traffic fatalities and more drunk driving here. But the country is setup a lot differently, and driving is more of a need than it is compact, densely populated western Europe.
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Old May 23rd, 2012, 05:20 AM   #1650
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Highway fatality rates are not higher in US than in Europe, measures as deaths per 1 billion mile-vehicle.

The different is almost entirely attributed to higher city traffic fatality rate in US.
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Old May 24th, 2012, 03:44 AM   #1651
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We need to build more infrastructure in the U.S. than it already does.
U.S. HSR is one of those things that I think is very necessary and beneficial for the country.

But also we need a substantial upgrading of roads in the U.S. They are usually very high standard but still need to be raised for the future. We also need to build more roads mainly highways and one thing that they have started making more and more in the U.S. which I think is brilliant is that the deck over so that the highway is underground. Specially in big cities, like Boston but also now in California.

I have many relatives around the U.S and I LOVE I ADORE to drive their highways and roads, but L.A is a mess they NEED to build away queues. Thats the only way and CA HSR is a useful project that California needs but the mainly should build more roads and do it more underground in tunnels. California is growing so they need to start with this yesterday
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Old May 25th, 2012, 02:57 AM   #1652
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But some cold states like Ohio get it right, while some are hopeless like Michigan. But even in places like Michigan, the scale of the road infrastructure exceeds what you see in most of Western Europe.
Hmm I drove a lot in Michigan last September and found its road mostly fine. Definitely better than in most of the Northeast.

In general US roads are much better and nicer to drive in rural areas than in big metropolis which can't keep up with growth of their populations (Texas might be a bit of an exception due to huge program of road improvements in places like Dallas metroplex or Houston).
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Hmm I drove a lot in Michigan last September and found its road mostly fine. Definitely better than in most of the Northeast.

In general US roads are much better and nicer to drive in rural areas than in big metropolis which can't keep up with growth of their populations (Texas might be a bit of an exception due to huge program of road improvements in places like Dallas metroplex or Houston).
What part of Michigan? I've been to the Northeast and Michigan and found Michigan to be much worse overall. In fact I had a tire fail from the awful roads up there, ironically I saw tires along the highway most of the way through Michigan. The Northeast especially NY/NJ maybe bumpy but they usually try to fill the potholes especially on roads with highway speeds.
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Old May 25th, 2012, 06:53 AM   #1654
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no it isn't : roads with potholes, poor pavement, decaying bridges ; and the drivers : one of the worst countries for highway fatalities amid western countries : lax enforcement, poor driving skills, speeding and tailgating, no turn signal usage, no seatbelt use at the rear seats, no helmet laws in retarded states, sobriety check points forbidden in many states, drunk driving widespread, and so on, leads to approximately 40 000 deaths each year. This is America. And : nobody cares.
Lax enforcement is simply not the case. Unlike most countries, you can't bribe cops out of speeding tickets in the US. And what's so bad about sobriety checkpoints being forbidden? Seems kind of oppressive when the state presumes you suspicious instead of waiting for suspicious behavior.
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I compare sobriety checks with random medical exams airline pilots are subject to.
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Old May 26th, 2012, 03:00 AM   #1656
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What part of Michigan? I've been to the Northeast and Michigan and found Michigan to be much worse overall. In fact I had a tire fail from the awful roads up there, ironically I saw tires along the highway most of the way through Michigan. The Northeast especially NY/NJ maybe bumpy but they usually try to fill the potholes especially on roads with highway speeds.
I did most of the Michigan.
Drove a lot in the Upper Peninsula, in my opinion they had great roads out there, especially considering the climate. On the mainland Michigan I did both East and West coast and had no issues with the surfaces, crossed the middle and it was fine too. Basically the closer I got to Detroit the worse roads got. But still not too bad comparing to NY, NJ, MA, IL or PA.

In general I got quite good impression of Michigan. Not as good as the smooth roads of the sunbelt but still better than many other states and better than I expected before going there.

Ok, if we are in the thread about the non-interstate roads, let me post some shots of the Chesapeake Bridge-Tunnel, in other words US13

From the distance


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By the way I found roads around Norfolk and Virginia Beach much worse than those in Michigan. Some of them were plain awful.
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Question: any chance of them twinning the Chesapeake Bay tunnels?
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Probably not since the traffic congestion is not high enough for it to make sense to twin the tunnels.
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In Southeast Michigan, the roads are like crap. They always seem to be doing construction, but never getting anywhere. I went to Grand Rapids in Southwestern Michigan once, and the roads outside the Detroit area were slightly better, but still piss poor by the standards of a developed country. I've never cared to venture to any other part of the state.
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Old May 26th, 2012, 05:24 AM   #1660
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Question: any chance of them twinning the Chesapeake Bay tunnels?
Why don't we turn every two lane country road into a ten lane mega freeway while we're at it!!

Lets build roads for the hell of it!! Who cares about need!
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