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Old April 6th, 2011, 11:31 PM   #3201
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The only thing said so far is removing seats behind the screens. there is speculation about the highest seats in the upper tier being taken out to prop up an extended roof which will be three times longer than the existing one and finally remove the seats at the rear of the lower tier under the overhang of the upper tier to create corporate boxes similar to which has been done at a number of old football grounds.
I believe West Ham are just going to cover the seating in the upper tiers behind the screens during football mode. If the stadium is to be used for Cricket, these seats will be available which will increase the capacity back up to over 70,000.

I have read somewhere that they are likely to take out the top few rows of the upper tiers to accomodate the new roof and perhaps put some corporate boxes at the top of the stands. I doubt very much that the corporate boxes will be installed behind the goals.

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Old April 7th, 2011, 12:11 AM   #3202
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I didnīt get involved in any of those "what club gets this stadium", neither I said something about that...but now watching the grass...damn West Ham fans...this will be an awful place to watch a football match every 2 weeks.
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Old April 7th, 2011, 02:03 AM   #3203
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I didnīt get involved in any of those "what club gets this stadium", neither I said something about that...but now watching the grass...damn West Ham fans...this will be an awful place to watch a football match every 2 weeks.
We are very aware Andre that this stadium is not yet fit for football. So we await the refurb of this stadium with hopefully a retractable refit of the lower tier and new roof.

Besides, every major football tournament has a stadium with a running track in there somewhere, and I believe the last 3 or 4 Champions League finals have been held in Olympic Style Stadiums with running tracks.
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Old April 7th, 2011, 08:54 PM   #3204
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We are very aware Andre that this stadium is not yet fit for football. So we await the refurb of this stadium with hopefully a retractable refit of the lower tier and new roof.

Besides, every major football tournament has a stadium with a running track in there somewhere, and I believe the last 3 or 4 Champions League finals have been held in Olympic Style Stadiums with running tracks.
Oh, well that makes it all good, don't it.

Wouldn't shock me to see temporary seating like what they have in San Francisco at Candlestick Park. Normally a baseball stadium with an awkward-shaped field isn't good for football of any kind. But the NFL's 49ers use a grandstand extending up to the top tier. Works for soccer as well. Looks cheap, which will please Hammers owners. But the slope will likely be a very shallow one.

Soccer configuration in San Fran. Pretty accurate forecast of West Ham's turnout, too.

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Old April 7th, 2011, 10:04 PM   #3205
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Very nice this stadium..
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Old April 7th, 2011, 10:11 PM   #3206
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We are very aware Andre that this stadium is not yet fit for football. So we await the refurb of this stadium with hopefully a retractable refit of the lower tier and new roof.

Besides, every major football tournament has a stadium with a running track in there somewhere, and I believe the last 3 or 4 Champions League finals have been held in Olympic Style Stadiums with running tracks.
I've yet to hear how a retractable seating system would work.

It's all very well building retractable seats but where would the seats retract to? The stadium hasn't been designed to accommodate them. Where is the space?

As far as I can tell, space can only be created by demolishing the lower tier and, somehow, re-engineering how the upper tier is held up so that they can demolish a big section of the steel structure too.

Even if that were possible and safe, it would be prohibitively expensive. West Ham's Ģ95 million budget will mostly be blown on the new roof; new corporate facilities; food outlets; toilets; and generally West Hamifying the whole place.

No way will they also be able to afford a complex retractable seating system.
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Old April 7th, 2011, 10:40 PM   #3207
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I've yet to hear how a retractable seating system would work.

It's all very well building retractable seats but where would the seats retract to? The stadium hasn't been designed to accommodate them. Where is the space?

As far as I can tell, space can only be created by demolishing the lower tier and, somehow, re-engineering how the upper tier is held up so that they can demolish a big section of the steel structure too.

Even if that were possible and safe, it would be prohibitively expensive. West Ham's Ģ95 million budget will mostly be blown on the new roof; new corporate facilities; food outlets; toilets; and generally West Hamifying the whole place.

No way will they also be able to afford a complex retractable seating system.

i was looking on a west ham fan site earlier and there was some pics of retratable seating in melbourne stadium, basically the lower tier can be kind of wheeled out over the track for football and pushed back for athletics, this would mean demolishing the lower tier, but i think money could be saved if this is only done at the two goal ends of the stadium, as thats where the real problems with the view lies, the view from the side even when there's a jumping pit is not really that bad compared to at the end of the stadium, also the view wouldn't be affected from the upper tier by the retractable seats due the sheer distance of the pitch.. well i hope i explained this well haha i'm not very good at technical stuff
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Old April 8th, 2011, 01:13 AM   #3208
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[QUOTE=flashman;75666083]Oh, well that makes it all good, don't it.

Wouldn't shock me to see temporary seating like what they have in San Francisco at Candlestick Park. Normally a baseball stadium with an awkward-shaped field isn't good for football of any kind. But the NFL's 49ers use a grandstand extending up to the top tier. Works for soccer as well. Looks cheap, which will please Hammers owners. But the slope will likely be a very shallow one.

Soccer configuration in San Fran. Pretty accurate forecast of West Ham's turnout, too.

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NFL configuration.

Flashman - Why do you even care? Or is it because your are a scorned Spurs Fan that has been left disgruntled at losing out in your bid to rip off the general public and smash down the Olympic Stadium and build that awful looking thing per Spurs plans.

As for Hammers support, you should do your homework. West Ham have pretty much been in the bottom 6 of the Premier League for 2 years and have sold 94.1% (Approx 33,000) Capacity over that period of time. If Spurs suffered similar results in the league I couldn't see them pulling in decent attendances. But we shall see how it pans out.

You seem a "glass half empty" type of guy!
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Old April 8th, 2011, 01:41 AM   #3209
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You seem a "glass half empty" type of guy!
Yeah. Stop being so pessimistic. It won't be half empty. It will be half full.
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Old April 8th, 2011, 01:50 AM   #3210
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Yeah. Stop being so pessimistic. It won't be half empty. It will be half full.
And it may even generate the atmosphere that the emirates has :oP
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Old April 8th, 2011, 01:56 AM   #3211
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And it may even generate the atmosphere that the emirates has :oP
More likely a half full Emirates plus track. No doubt West Ham fans will enjoy that..
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Old April 8th, 2011, 02:23 AM   #3212
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Oh, well that makes it all good, don't it.

Wouldn't shock me to see temporary seating like what they have in San Francisco at Candlestick Park. Normally a baseball stadium with an awkward-shaped field isn't good for football of any kind. But the NFL's 49ers use a grandstand extending up to the top tier. Works for soccer as well. Looks cheap, which will please Hammers owners. But the slope will likely be a very shallow one.

Soccer configuration in San Fran. Pretty accurate forecast of West Ham's turnout, too.

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NFL configuration.

Flashman - Why do you even care? Or is it because your are a scorned Spurs Fan that has been left disgruntled at losing out in your bid to rip off the general public and smash down the Olympic Stadium and build that awful looking thing per Spurs plans.

As for Hammers support, you should do your homework. West Ham have pretty much been in the bottom 6 of the Premier League for 2 years and have sold 94.1% (Approx 33,000) Capacity over that period of time. If Spurs suffered similar results in the league I couldn't see them pulling in decent attendances. But we shall see how it pans out.

You seem a "glass half empty" type of guy!
You must be new to football.

Or you were in a coma for most of the 90's and early noughties.

Spurs were regularly in mid to lower table for much of that time - fighting a number of battles against relegation. Still had sell outs for pretty much every game (as they also did in 2008-09, when once again in danger of the drop).

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Old April 8th, 2011, 08:56 AM   #3213
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I still do not think there will be retractable seats. the lower tiers could be dismantled and moved forward over the the long jump pits and pole vault but even that would be a costly exercise. Man City upper tiers alongside the pitch were left intact, only the ends were altered.
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Old April 8th, 2011, 12:13 PM   #3214
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I still do not think there will be retractable seats. the lower tiers could be dismantled and moved forward over the the long jump pits and pole vault but even that would be a costly exercise. Man City upper tiers alongside the pitch were left intact, only the ends were altered.
True: The top 2 tiers were left and a further lower tier added to both sides and 1 end after the Commonwealth games finished.
The round temporary stand used during the games was then demolished and a new 3 tier square stand built at that end.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ea...East_Stand.jpg

Eastlands was always designed with a football legacy in mind unlike this thing!
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Old April 8th, 2011, 12:37 PM   #3215
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I've yet to hear how a retractable seating system would work.

It's all very well building retractable seats but where would the seats retract to? The stadium hasn't been designed to accommodate them. Where is the space?

As far as I can tell, space can only be created by demolishing the lower tier and, somehow, re-engineering how the upper tier is held up so that they can demolish a big section of the steel structure too.

Even if that were possible and safe, it would be prohibitively expensive. West Ham's Ģ95 million budget will mostly be blown on the new roof; new corporate facilities; food outlets; toilets; and generally West Hamifying the whole place.

No way will they also be able to afford a complex retractable seating system.
This Olympic Stadium in London has so extremely much space inside that onecould easily fit 4 temporary stands around the pitch.
even the space between the stands and the running track is plenty, so if they installed retractable seats they could be build "on top" of the existing ones retracting from the soccer pitch back only as far as the outer edge running track is. There is still plenty of room betwen the current stands and the athletics track at the sides, not in the cures though.
There are plenty of possibilities.
they could even rotate the pitch 90° and add stands on top of the curves. which would then be the sides of the newly oriented pitch. That way the current stands would be close to the pitch behind the goals and new stands could also be placed very close to the pitch. This kind of change could really result in a very intimate soccer specific setup. If they use artificial turf which allows for rotating the pitch however neecessary, they migh even find a solution that could be trasformed back and forth in case an athletics event has to be held.
This stadium allows for plenty of creative solutions of which most probably don't end up looking very nice and asthetic though.
All this space that is availabe inside this stadium could really also be an advantage when it comes to transforming it into a soccer stadium, especially when looking for very cheap solutions.
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Old April 8th, 2011, 12:39 PM   #3216
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The Olympic Stadium was designed as a permanent 25,000 lower tier with a temporary 55,000 upper tier that would be dismantled after the Games.

Now people are talking about demolishing the permanent tier and leaving the temporary tier in place.
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The Olympic Stadium was designed as a permanent 25,000 lower tier with a temporary 55,000 upper tier that would be dismantled after the Games.

Now people are talking about demolishing the permanent tier and leaving the temporary tier in place.
Crazy, isn't it? But, if retractable seating is required, it may be the only option.
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Old April 8th, 2011, 02:27 PM   #3218
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Sorry Guys, but I don't like this stadium. :(
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This Olympic Stadium in London has so extremely much space inside that onecould easily fit 4 temporary stands around the pitch.
even the space between the stands and the running track is plenty, so if they installed retractable seats they could be build "on top" of the existing ones retracting from the soccer pitch back only as far as the outer edge running track is. There is still plenty of room betwen the current stands and the athletics track at the sides, not in the cures though.
There are plenty of possibilities.
they could even rotate the pitch 90° and add stands on top of the curves. which would then be the sides of the newly oriented pitch. That way the current stands would be close to the pitch behind the goals and new stands could also be placed very close to the pitch. This kind of change could really result in a very intimate soccer specific setup. If they use artificial turf which allows for rotating the pitch however neecessary, they migh even find a solution that could be trasformed back and forth in case an athletics event has to be held.
This stadium allows for plenty of creative solutions of which most probably don't end up looking very nice and asthetic though.
All this space that is availabe inside this stadium could really also be an advantage when it comes to transforming it into a soccer stadium, especially when looking for very cheap solutions.
Plenty of room for temporary stands around the pitch, yes.

But plenty of room to store the temporary stands when the stadium is being used for athletics? No. Not unless you:

a) demolish the lower tier

or

b) leave a big gap between the temporary stands and the upper tier, like this at Cagliari:



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c) build temporary stands that are dismantled every summer, for the athletics season.

or

d) build retractable seating that offers such a small improvement on proximity to the pitch that it won't be worth the effort.
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Old April 8th, 2011, 09:52 PM   #3220
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Hey everyone. During my trip to London last week, I tried to take pictures of the stadium.

I only managed to get this shot:



I couldn't find a way to get close to the construction site, which is hidden behind a maze of residential houses.

In the Stratford area, are there any roads that lead to the construction site? Is there any way to get a nice, straight-on shot of the stadium?
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