LONDON - Olympic Stadium (79,999)

[marrio415]

Originally Posted by Harkeb

Im late for this but My God, is this shit the new London stadium?! has London moved to the Kalahari? How awful (like the their nutty Logo!). What the hell were those crazy poms thinking this time? I loved the leafy design and expected it to go up like planned. Its a scam and I feel the IOC should immediately threaten to take away the Olympics from London if they dont stick to the one that won them the Games in the first place. They are not a fuck serious about the 2012 Games, and should have rather stepped down if this is the case. Paris would have done something iconic and outstanding, not a f&cking ricebowl...shit, what IS that thing!!!

yes you have been late and with a stupid comment like that i can see why.Any bid thats won does not build the stadium they bid with.Before you start criticising dude your country just better make sure 2010 goes ok.and for your info the ioc commitee that has just visited has given london a mark of 9.75 out of 10 for the progress so far reached as they are impressed.

[canarywondergod]

couldnt care less what it looked like, its meant to hold 80,000 people for what 2 months for the olympic and paralympics games?! then it gets reduced to 25,000 for the rest of its life so im more concerned what it looks like afterwards! if it was going to be used by a football team afterwards im sure they would have made it more architecturally interesting

[hoosier]

The design of the Olympic Stadium is OK, and there is no need to go over the top since it will be mostly torn down after the event.

I hope that Wembley is uitlized and given a lot of airtime during the Olympics. THAT is a beautiful stadium.

[masterpaul]

Fools, they shouldn't even had bovered with the olympic stadium, they could had just used wembley.

And that would be even more "ecological"

[marrio415]

Originally Posted by masterpaul

Fools, they shouldn't even had bovered with the olympic stadium, they could had just used wembley.

And that would be even more "ecological"

In athletics mode wembley would only host 60,000,good for a world champinships but too small for an olympics

[masterpaul]

well if they really wanted they could find a way of holding 10,000 tempory seats, they could had done something similar like in sydney, the two end extra stands.

And since the roof retracts at the end stands, this should had been no problem.

[Igsuonnimo]

I think it should also depic the idea of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table

[Mo Rush]

Originally Posted by masterpaul

well if they really wanted they could find a way of holding 10,000 tempory seats, they could had done something similar like in sydney, the two end extra stands.

And since the roof retracts at the end stands, this should had been no problem.

smart never thought of that. just remove the part of the roof that supports the retractable portion when in use. change the spacious seats in some areas to gain space. its something to look at. IOC requires 60,000 but 75,000 could be possible with some tweaking.

[Mo Rush]

Source:Government Response to the Fourth Report from the Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee Session 1999-2000

WNSL indicated in its evidence to the Committee (page 48/para 158 of Minutes of Evidence) that Stadium Australia has minimum C60 sight-lines based on a focal point on the outside edge of the outside lane around the whole track. It also indicated that the Wembley proposal reached this standard only for the inside or second lane in parts of the stadium. The independent report submitted by Ellerbe Beckett confirms that, taking a focal point in the outside edge of the track as in Stadium Australia, the proposals put forward by WNSL to provide 80,000 seats in athletics mode, would reduce the C value of the first eight rows of seating in the lower bowl, and some seats at the ends of the stadium, to below C60. Thus the view of the track would be seriously compromised for a significant proportion of spectators.

We agree with the Committee’s conclusion that the platform solution for athletics with 80,000 spectators does not meet the sight-line standards in the design briefs for the Olympic stadia for 1996 and 2000. It is clear that, if we are to mount a bid with a realistic chance of success, we must do so with a stadium which offers comparable, or better, quality.

Source:WEMBLEY STADIUM ATHLETICS PROVISION ANALYSIS by Sports Concepts

GENERAL
An event will benefit from being held at the new Wembley Stadium because of the “state of the art” facilities. In terms of spectator amenities, athletics will benefit more than most. The stadium is designed for 90,000 spectators, yet when the stadium is configured for athletics, approximately 68,400 spectators have access to the same facilities. With the addition of temporary seats, the capacity of the Stadium whilst in athletics mode can be increased to 70,000 for athletics, football, and rugby events.

The additional 1,600 seats can be added on temporary seating decks on and between the disabled seating platforms located at the edge of the raised platform. Three rows are proposed that extend approximately 50 percent of the way around the seating bowl. These seats provide good sight lines to the track and infield because they are elevated above the existing seating bowl.

[rover3]

Does Wembley have room for:

1. a warm-up track ?

2. additional free space around for sponsors' tents, Ceremonies materiel storage, etc.?

3. an auxiliary stadium used as a staging point for the athletes and performers for the Opening Ceremony?

4. Where would 2012 stage its football finals if Wembley were in a T&F configuration?

5. And how would they covert it back to football mode for the final Saturday; and then back to T&F for the final Sunday? Can't be done in 24 hours each way.

[Mo Rush]

Originally Posted by rover3

Does Wembley have room for:

1. a warm-up track ?

2. additional free space around for sponsors' tents, Ceremonies materiel storage, etc.?

3. an auxiliary stadium used as a staging point for the athletes and performers for the Opening Ceremony?

4. Where would 2012 stage its football finals if Wembley were in a T&F configuration?

5. And how would they covert it back to football mode for the final Saturday; and then back to T&F for the final Sunday? Can't be done in 24 hours each way.

report: Wembley athletics track study report
1. See online report which considers alternative sites for a warm-up track
2. Additional free space would be the same issue for a world cup match in terms of hospitality. Would wembley arena not suffice? The stadium itself is quite large in terms of the areas available for sponsors/vip's etc.
3. Various sites (of which there are 4/5) considered for the warm up track could use a temporary structure or structures to house athletes. OR wembley arena
4. football competitions could also be accommodated at wembley but would take place at a reduced capacity of 70,000. numerous alternatives for football finals exist if 70,000 is too low. twickenham..old trafford?
5. why would they need to convert it to football mode. we're talking about the olympic football competition not the world cup. the main olympic stadium in athletics mode is fine for football finals for which the IOC only require a capacity of 50,000. A stadium with an athletics track of capacity around 70,000 hosted the 2006 world cup final. I dont see any major difference with wembley.
4.

[rover3]

Originally Posted by Mo Rush

report: Wembley athletics track study report
5. why would they need to convert it to football mode. we're talking about the olympic football competition not the world cup. the main olympic stadium in athletics mode is fine for football finals for which the IOC only require a capacity of 50,000. A stadium with an athletics track of capacity around 70,000 hosted the 2006 world cup final. I dont see any major difference with wembley.

My question #5 was also poised on the presumption that Wembley would be considered as the Olympic stadium. Obviously, if the Olympic stadium was separate (as it will be), then my questions are moot.

Re the Wembley athletics track study report: how very interesting!! Thanks. Was this in preparation for the 2005 IAAF World Championships which London ultimately bailed out on?

[MoreOrLess]

If Wembley had been used I very much doubt London would have gotten the games as...

No legacy for athletics.

Stadium not close to olympic park/village and warmup facilties.

Less of a unified plan.

The idea of a multi purpose stadium being the idea solution is easy to understand(why politicans use it so often IMHO) but the reality has tended to be a bit of a disaster.

[metroranger]

View of the Stadium bowl from the Greenway May 24 2008.

Wikimapia link.





Barrier goes up to protect Northern Outfall Sewer (Greenway) from high vehicles.

[DarJoLe]

For sale: flatpack stadium suitable for Olympic Games. One careful owner ...

· London aims to recycle arena to offset costs
· Plan to ship 55,000 seats across Atlantic

Robert Booth
The Guardian,
Tuesday May 27 2008

The organisers of the London Olympics are planning to pass on more than just the Olympic flag to the next host city when the games end in September 2012. Senior officials have opened talks with Chicago, one of the early favourites to host the 2016 games, which could result in the bulk of London's main stadium being dismantled, boxed-up and shipped across the Atlantic to be rebuilt.

The Guardian has learned that 55,000 seats from London's 80,000-seat arena could be transported to Washington Park in the Illinois capital and used to enlarge a planned, 7,500-capacity community arena into Chicago's main Olympic stadium.

The tactic of recycling the Olympic stadium has been billed as the first step in a new approach to the games, which could become more like a travelling circus to keep costs down and allow poorer countries to play host. Baku in Azerbaijan, Rio de Janeiro and Prague are also bidding for the 2016 games alongside Tokyo, Madrid, and Doha in Qatar.

The plan could also raise tens of millions of pounds to help offset the rising costs of the London games which have quadrupled to £9.3bn. The cost of the main stadium has already risen from £280m to £496m. A spokesman for London's Olympic Delivery Authority said: "It is right that we should explore any opportunities that would recoup some of the cost incurred by the lottery and the public purse."

David Higgins, chief executive of the ODA, last week began talks with his counterpart in Chicago and said he is willing to have the same discussions with other bidding cities in the coming months.

London's deal with Chicago has become a possibility because both cities have decided to build main stadiums with small numbers of permanent seats while erecting giant seating scaffolds for the two weeks of competition. Talks have focused on how London's stadium might be bolted rather than welded together, ensuring the materials used allow it to function properly in another country and climate, and how sections might fit on a cargo ship.

It would be the first time in history that a stadium of this size has been moved. Last year, 16,000 seats which had previously been used at the 2006 football World Cup in Germany were shipped to Barbados where they were used in the ICC Cricket World Cup. "If we could box it up and ship it to the next games, that's something that could benefit the Olympic movement," said Doug Arnott, director of sports and operations at Chicago 2016. "We have had preliminary discussions about what London's stadium design team are planning and how it might fit in. This is to do with the responsible use of materials and trying to avoid leaving infrastructure that will burden a city."

Chicago could include the plan to reuse London's stadium in its bid documents which will be presented to the International Olympic Committee later this year. A spokesman for the ODA said: "We have only held preliminary and very recent discussions with Chicago - at their instigation - covering some of the technical aspects of relocating so many seats, but it is obviously good news that there is already interest in re-using them. We will also continue to explore options to relocate facilities within the UK as a priority wherever possible."

HOK Sport, architects of London's Olympic stadium, have deliberately designed the arena as a kit in part. A permanent concrete bowl of 25,000 seats will remain in place for athletics, lower league football and rugby, but every other component could be sold on. Chicago has made staging a low-impact games a core part of its bid. It is using several existing arenas, including Soldier Field where the Chicago Bears NFL team play, and the Chicago Bulls' basketball arena will host gymnastics and basketball. "Chicago think this would be a coup for their bid, and would show they are putting their money where their mouth is on their commitment to sustainability," said a source.

Last week Gordon Brown joined members of the International Olympic Committee at the site of London's Olympic stadium in east London as building work began ahead of schedule. The IOC gave London's preparations a ringing endorsement but London's mayor, Boris Johnson, has pledged to drive down costs.

In numbers

55,000 Number of seats left over after the London Olympics

10,000 Tonnes of steel in London's stadium - it is the lightest Olympic stadium yet

7,500 Number of seats in Chicago's Washington Park stadium after the games, if it wins the bid

$0 Cost to the public purse of Chicago's bid. It is funded by the private sector

[rover3]

I thought the termporary stands would go to Glasgow first for their 2014 Games?

I've held this idea all along. Especially for American cities w/o a sufficiently large T&F stadium. The USOC could own the material, and rent it out to its chosen cities.

So Chicago would still have to add some 25,000 seats (including the permanent 5,000 it plans on leaving behind).

Then after Chicago, it could then head to Capetown for 2020 (as Mo as opined before). So, it may be the 'lucky stadium.'

It could also be used for a World Cup staging.

[TallBox]

Bad journalism.... Chicago is not the Illinois capital

[Mo Rush]

Originally Posted by rover3

I thought the termporary stands would go to Glasgow first for their 2014 Games?

why does it need 55,000 temporary seats it has a stadium? it has hampden which more than meets CWG capacity requirements.

All I can say is that it might cost Chicago more to purchase the 55,000 seats than building from scratch. London better offer some major discount on those used seats/trusses etc.

[en1044]

Originally Posted by masterpaul

well if they really wanted they could find a way of holding 10,000 tempory seats, they could had done something similar like in sydney, the two end extra stands.

And since the roof retracts at the end stands, this should had been no problem.

theres no way they could do to wembley what they did in sydney...it just couldnt happen

[en1044]

Originally Posted by DarJoLe

The Guardian has learned that 55,000 seats from London's 80,000-seat arena could be transported to Washington Park in the Illinois capital and used to enlarge a planned, 7,500-capacity community arena into Chicago's main Olympic stadium.

WRONG!