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Old November 15th, 2011, 03:02 AM   #1
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Indian Mass Rapid Transit Systems - Info | New Proposals | Financial Models | Fantasy Maps

This thread has been started so that it can be central thread for all knowledge and information that we have on the metro systems and their construction. If you've ever made any sort of analysis, then please present it here once again.

I'd like to see posts being made on the the benefits of a metro versus a monorail, difference between 3rd rail vs Overhead electrification, elevated vs underground lines, Broad gauge versus Standard gauge and other debates that we see every now and then.

General news related to metro systems and construction companies can be posted here as well. Also feel free to share any fantasy maps you've made of a metro system in your hometown or favorite city.

To start off, here's a map of all metro systems in India according to their stage:


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Old November 15th, 2011, 03:15 AM   #2
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I've made some maps for the first post of a couple of threads. To avoid cluttering the map, I've only shown a couple of stations. The black circles represent stations. I'll provide a link in the respective threads later.

For more detailed maps visit the respective threads.

Kochi Metro



Jaipur Metro



Navi Mumbai Metro



Chennai Metro



Bangalore Metro



Hyderabad Metro - click on it to view large

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Old November 15th, 2011, 03:15 AM   #3
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How many of you are aware of the role of a General Consultant and Independent Engineer in the construction of a metro? Here's what they do:

General Consultant

A general consultant is company of consultants who run the show behind the scene to make sure the project is executed as desired by the nodal agency. Every metro organization appoints one (see the list below)

These are the folks who prepare the design of the viaduct and stations to conform with the master plan. They are fully involved in the tendering process as well - they review the design submitted by the bidders and assist in selection of the contractors and suppliers. During the construction period, they will review the construction for quality assurance and make sure the contractors are sticking to the contract and design specifications. There's a lot more that they assist with - from accounting to inspecting/testing equipment to assisting in the trial runs. Basically, they take care of everything during the project development life cycle.


Companies with different strengths/core competencies form a consortium and bid for general consultancy:

Bangalore - RITES + Pacific Consultants International + SYSTRA + Parsons Brinckerhoff

Chennai - Egis Rail + Maunsell + Balaji Railroad + YEC + Egis India (EMBYE Consortium)

Delhi - RITES + Parsons Brinckerhoff + Pacific Consultants International + Tonichi Engineering Consultants + Japan Railway Technical Services

Kolkata
EW Line - AECOM + Consulting Engineering Services + Yachiyo + Egis + Lee Harris Pomeroy Architects
Joka - BBD Bagh line - RITES

Mumbai's line 1 - Parsons Brinckerhoff + SYSTRA

Navi Mumbai - Louis Berger + Balaji Railroad

Hyderabad - AECOM + Feedback Ventures
The old Maytas concessionaire had appointed Parsons Brinckerhoff + SYSTRA

Jaipur - DMRC + Mott MacDonald

Kochi - DMRC

Ahmedabad - the bidding is underway

If you notice, all of these consortia (except Mumbai) have one local partner (in blue). That helps to strengthen the bid and also bring in local expertise and communication skills (to deal with nodal agency, contractors, government agencies etc).

Some metros also have a separate design consultant who assist the general consulants. In Delhi, Mott MacDonald was appointed. In Bangalore each reach has a different design consultant:
Reach 1: above consortium
Reach 2: Span Consultants
Reach 3: Stup + S.N. Bhose & Associations
Reach 4: L&T Ramboll Consulting Engineers

Then there are other consultants for environment impact/monitoring, traffic, financial, legal work etc. These consultants first draw up the plans, then get the nodal agency's approval and finally execute it.


Independent Engineer

From Hyderabad's Independent Engineer RFQ document, the role of an IE for the project is:

(i) review of Drawings and Documents,
(ii) review, inspection and monitoring of Construction Works,
(iii) review, inspection and testing of Rolling Stock,
(iv) conducting Tests on completion of construction and issuing
Completion/Provisional Certificate,
(v) review, inspection and monitoring of O & M,
(vi) review, inspection and monitoring of Divestment Requirements,
(vii) determining, as required under the agreement, the costs of any works or
services and/or their reasonableness,
(viii) determining, as required under the agreement, the period or any extension
thereof for performing any duty or obligation;
(ix) assisting the Parties in resolution of disputes, and
(x) undertaking all other duties and functions in accordance with the
agreement.
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Old November 15th, 2011, 03:15 AM   #4
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Here are two maps I made which show the location of all the coach factories that currently deliver, have delivered or will deliver to Indian MRT systems.

Plants in India:



International Plants:


June 2012 Update: Systems that are expected to decide their rolling stock suppliers within 12 months:

• Hyderabad Metro - expected to decide by September 2012
• Kolkata Metro - was expected to be finalized by Jan but no news since then
• Navi Mumbai Metro - just floated a RFQ for the complete rail system
• Delhi Metro - floated a RFQ for 486 coaches in March for Phase III lines
• Chennai Monorail - just shortlisted 5 bidders to build + manage the system
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Old November 15th, 2011, 03:25 AM   #5
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Add on to that

Kolkata - Joka - BBD Bagh - RITES (consultants/feasibility study)
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Old November 15th, 2011, 04:04 AM   #6
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Good one, IndiansUnite... May be the thread to discuss to exchange info on Construction technology for Metro Rail system's not only in India but for comparison of such it with various metro system's...
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Old November 15th, 2011, 04:20 AM   #7
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Nice thread

Here is the list, I've placed Ahmedabad in proposed as I don't think even pre-construction activities have started yet

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List of the cities in India trying for metro/monorail.

Operating:
1) Kolkata
2) Delhi
3) Bengaluru (Bangalore)

U/C (Metro):
1) Mumbai
2) Chennai
3) Jaipur
4) Gurgaon
5) Hyderabad
6) Navi Mumbai

U/C (Monorail):
1) Mumbai

Proposed (Metro):
1) Kochi
2) Ahmedabad
3) Pune
4) Chandigarh
5) Bhopal
6) Lucknow
7) Ludhiana
8) Kanpur
9) NOIDA
10) Srinagar
11) Jammu
12) Patna
13) Indore
14) Guwahati/Dispur
15) Amritsar
16) Visakhapatnam
17) Nagpur

Proposed (Monorail)
1) Chennai
2) Bangalore
3) Trivandrum
4) Coimbatore
5) Madurai
6) Trichy
7) Aizawl
8) Ahmedabad
9) Patna
10) Delhi
11) Kozhikode (Calicut)
12) Jodhpur
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Old November 15th, 2011, 04:35 AM   #8
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Interesting fact - Of the 10 operating and Under-construction metro systems, 5 of them are of OHE (overhead electrification 25kV-AC) and 5 of them are of third-rail (750V-DC), both are equally favoured
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Old November 15th, 2011, 04:50 AM   #9
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Old November 15th, 2011, 05:01 AM   #10
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sidney_jec - done. I was a bit skeptical at first since there isn't information out there but since RVNL is executing that line, RITES makes sense.

vinblr - agreed. As long as there's an Indian angle to it, then I think it should be fine to compare metros.

World8115 - Ahmedabad's metro at least has a website and boards have been seen next to the site. In any case, I've moved both Ahmedabad and Kochi back to proposed. Screw pre-construction activities. Once actual construction on the infrastructure starts, then we can move it to U/C.
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Old November 15th, 2011, 05:15 AM   #11
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IU- The color of the Text "RITES " needs to be changed to Blue for the the Kolkata - Joka BBD bag stretch
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Old November 15th, 2011, 05:16 AM   #12
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IU, here is the website for Kochi Metro - http://www.kochimetro.org/. Kochi's metro is in the news everyday and funding etc. is all confirmed only CG approval is needed whereas I dont think A'bad has progressed much, there are hardly any updates and not much has been confirmed, I may be wrong though
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Old November 15th, 2011, 05:23 AM   #13
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^ I wasn't really comparing it to Kochi but to other proposed metros. I'm aware of what's going on with Kochi's metro btw

B2C - done.
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^ I wasn't really comparing it to Kochi but to other proposed metros. I'm aware of what's going on with Kochi's metro btw

B2C - done.
I second IU..... Lets put Kochi Metro into full U/C after 2 weeks, when final approval is accorded. Currently preparatory and planning works including LA is happening.
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Old November 15th, 2011, 03:17 PM   #15
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^ I wasn't really comparing it to Kochi but to other proposed metros. I'm aware of what's going on with Kochi's metro btw

B2C - done.
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I second IU..... Lets put Kochi Metro into full U/C after 2 weeks, when final approval is accorded. Currently preparatory and planning works including LA is happening.
Okay. I too have removed it from the list
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Here are some screenshots for monorail metro comparison:
The metro cost/km is for elevated, for underground it would be even higher
The Hindu paper comparison is insane. Chonqging/Tokyo monorail pphpd are more than 20,000PPHPD and also Hitachi, Bombardier claims they have capacity close to 40,000 PPHPD for monorail (pls check Chennai monorail thread for this debate). I request to remove this misleading info. of Hindu from this good informatic thread.
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Old November 16th, 2011, 07:08 PM   #19
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@World8115 you can add Jodhpur to your proposed mono rail list as well. Currently Engineering Project India limited (EPIL) is doing a survey so the detailed project report can be made. The line is likely to be 20-25 km long. EPIL has said that there is a possibility for the project but currently it's researching on which routes should it be run. If approved then the Malaysian comapny Scomi will build it. It is estimated that it would cost around 140 crores per km and if the line is to b 25 km then it would cost 3500 crores.
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We can use a matrix like this to gather all the info together for different metros. The matrix is incomplete and some details might be wrong here. It will take some time before it gets completed.



Any suggestions for more parameters?
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