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Old April 25th, 2008, 11:46 AM   #1
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what's with all the Carey Jones bashing?

Just wondered, as whenever their name is mentioned there's an overwhelmingly negative reaction! I think some of their properties have been pretty iconic and attractive - it's not ALL bad surely!

Pretty amazing building!

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bad angle on this picture but it pretty much dominates that end of Westgate and looks awesome when it's lit up.

Let's spready the Carey Jones love!
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Old April 25th, 2008, 11:51 AM   #2
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We had this discussion many moons ago, I tried to put over that their work is actually quite varied, and we need to realise that they can only design within the limitations of the client's budget requirements and specifications, which can sometimes stifle more creative designs.

In the industry, they are a well respected architectural practice.
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Old April 25th, 2008, 11:56 AM   #3
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I think it's because they dominated the regeneration of Leeds in the early stages, although not so much now. Therefore, buildings- both liked and disliked, became synonymous with them.
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Old April 25th, 2008, 11:57 AM   #4
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I saw that in other threads, always like Carey Jones stuff............ wish i had gone there 3 years ago, mind you would have been sick of 'The Gateway' by now lol

Plus it's great to have strong LEEDS based practice!!

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Old April 25th, 2008, 12:03 PM   #5
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I like The Gateway! The aqua-green building is wonderful.
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Old April 25th, 2008, 12:07 PM   #6
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So do I, nice project.......... hope the final stage gets some decent height
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Old April 25th, 2008, 12:18 PM   #7
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When we had this debate a while ago, I seem to remember someone posting a picture of every building CJ had built in Leeds. Anyone find it? Their new website is a bit selective.
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Old April 25th, 2008, 12:54 PM   #8
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I like The Gateway! The aqua-green building is wonderful.
it's cool, although it reminds me constantly of the new Bexley Wing at Jimmy's Hospital, just because there's no other building around in that colour!
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Old April 25th, 2008, 05:42 PM   #9
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Yes same; both are stunning buildings though. I love how the Bexley Wing rises out of the sea of terraced housing, like new life.
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Old April 25th, 2008, 07:17 PM   #10
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Hmmm, I guess I've probably the most vociferous CJ basher over the last few years!

As Rob mentioned, we had a thread a few years ago showing the best and the worst of CJs efforts and it's safe to say that they've contributed some beauties, Princes Exchange, the Leeds Uni building whose name escapes me and Simpsons Fold spring immediately to mind, however they have contributed far too much terracotta dross for my liking and frankly any architectural practice that comes up with West Point deserves all the vitriol that they get.

The previous thread from 2005 is http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=209845 with pictures posted by Magic Realist, Magic where are you mate???

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Old April 26th, 2008, 12:25 AM   #11
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I love Princes Exchange and the tower at Clarence Dock, and I like the aqua building at the Gateway. However, alot of their work is the absolute definition of anywhereville architecture. Leeds, Manchester, London? Who cares, just give em all the same.......I appreciate budgetary constraints but a bit of 'sense of place' doesn't go amiss.
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Old April 26th, 2008, 09:45 AM   #12
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they've got offices in London and even New York......though not sure what they've been commissioned for or had completed in the big Apple. I think that one complaint was simply that they were so ubiquitous with Leeds and at one point, the majority of schemes and proposals were CJ affiliated....... Our main point of reference was Whitehall Quays / Riverside, and West Point / West Central which caused the largest rebuke. I hope that Wellington Place and the cladding on the Plaza come out okay as that will somewhat redeem them in my view.
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Old April 26th, 2008, 09:56 PM   #13
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Im a fan, mainly because they were so important in kick starting the massive developement of Leeds, they had confidence in the local economy when others didnt, and a few carbuncles excluded, they have built some pretty good buildings. I love the office building next to the train station car park especially!
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The previous thread from 2005 is http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=209845 with pictures posted by Magic Realist, Magic where are you mate???
Wotcha Simon!

Still living here in New York. Actually, Rutherford, NJ but no-one knows where that is...

Looking forward to coming back to the UK at the end of May. Taking the new missus to Leeds, of course. Noticed that Lumiere is like a mini Bank of New York - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of...ower_(New_York) - I'll try and take a few snaps the next time I'm in the city.

Have a nice day y'all!
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Old April 29th, 2008, 02:07 PM   #15
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Wotcha Simon!

Still living here in New York. Actually, Rutherford, NJ but no-one knows where that is...

Looking forward to coming back to the UK at the end of May. Taking the new missus to Leeds, of course. Noticed that Lumiere is like a mini Bank of New York - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_of...ower_(New_York) - I'll try and take a few snaps the next time I'm in the city.

Have a nice day y'all!
Hey!

Are you back for good at the end of May or just back visiting? Hope all's good in NYC.
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Old March 6th, 2012, 05:34 PM   #16
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Well, you either loved them or loathed them, but it looks as though Carey Jones has ceased to be a presence in Leeds.


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Careyjones Chapmantolcher closes northern offices

6 March 2012 | By Andrea Klettner


Careyojnes Chapmantolcher’s two northern offices have gone into administration, resulting in 31 redundancies, BD understands.

The London-based practice’s offices in Leeds and Manchester – collectively known as Studio North – will close as a result of a “greatly reduced workload”.

Joint administrator Mike Kienlen of Armstrong Watson said: “Careyjones Chapmantolcher is one of the best known architectural practices in the UK and has a national reputation for high-quality award-winning schemes.

“Eighteen months ago, the business adopted a new structure, dividing its operations into north and south. Unfortunately, the northern company has suffered particularly badly from the poor financial conditions in the property market which have delayed the start of many of its projects.

“Rather than waiting for cash-flow problems to escalate, the management has taken decisive action in order to protect as many of its creditors as possible.”

Tim Tolcher of Careyjones Chapmantolcher added: “The London-based group company will be maintaining and developing its national presence and continuing to provide a high level of service to all of our clients.”
(from Building Design)
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Old March 6th, 2012, 05:55 PM   #17
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End of an era.

They did improve towards the end though; aren't they responsible for Candle House?
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Old March 6th, 2012, 06:06 PM   #18
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I would never celebrate the loss of jobs, but I do celebrate the end of their stranglehold over architectural contracts in Leeds.
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sad news.......... sad for the people of that office

My office closed last year, not easy out there at the moment :-(
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Old March 6th, 2012, 09:53 PM   #20
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Certainly an end of an era to see Carey Jones Northern operations go and certainly a telling sign of the largely depressed property market although it would certainly be a bad thing if architecture is seen to be more of a London centric profession considering Carey Jones London operations still appear to be doing well. Still Carey Jones did certainly have their mix of the good, bad and ugly in terms of projects such as:

Granary Wharf:

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Plaza Tower:

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Princes Exchange:



The Gateway:



West Point (surely their nadir considering dogs dinner appearance):



Of course Carey Jones did draw up many other proposals for developments around Leeds which never saw the light of day.
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