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Old October 16th, 2012, 11:05 PM   #101
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Old October 17th, 2012, 08:36 AM   #102
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Old October 17th, 2012, 07:32 PM   #103
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This is the road to Shymbulak Ski Resort that in 2011 hosted the Asian Winter Games. I think that's why is tri-lingual. Anyway, this place is just 25 km far away from Almaty
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Old October 19th, 2012, 02:25 PM   #104
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Old October 19th, 2012, 09:29 PM   #105
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Old October 31st, 2012, 03:29 AM   #106
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I found interesting that this sign says "Almaty, it's our city" in Kazakh and Russian (according to google translate)
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Old November 18th, 2012, 11:59 AM   #107
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Apparently a new motorway opened recently somewhere in southeastern Kazakhstan.

http://bi-group.kz/%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%8...0%D1%8B%D1%82/

Does anyone know where this motorway is? There isn't much recent Google Earth imagery in that area. Mayb it's near A2 (former M39) east of Taraz.

edit: it appears to be in the Jambyl oblast. There are mountains in the photos on that site, so east of Taraz would be the only possible location.


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Old November 18th, 2012, 04:23 PM   #108
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Ah! Now I see a motorway connection from Almat'i to Jorgos/Huoerguosi is actually planned, if not U/C or already opened. My dream is a motorway all the way from my hometown to Beijing.
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Old November 21st, 2012, 02:23 PM   #109
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I guess that the route between Almaty and the Chinese border (and accordingly into Beijing) will be upgraded to expressway or motorway status in the mid-term, but from there it is an awfully long way until you reach the first bit of motorway that would take you into Spain. And I cannot see that gap closed in our lifetime ...
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Old November 30th, 2012, 10:20 PM   #110
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China - Europe Highway

Kazakhstan is currently upgrading its east-west infrastructure, called the "China - Europe Highway". It consists chiefly of the M32 and A2 (ex-M39).

The Kazakh numbering system was changed in 2011. All Soviet A-routes were scrapped, plus the M39, which has been replaced by A2. Other M-routes still exist.

The main works of the China - Europe highway are in southern Kazakhstan.

Yuzhno-Kazakhstanskaya Oblast (southern Kazakhstan oblast): mainly reconstruction of M32 west of Shymkent and A2 east of Shymkent. A separate project is a new bypass of Tashkent that avoids Uzbek territory.


The Shymkent northern bypass. It's currently under construction as a 2x2 road.


Zhambylskaya Oblast. The road is being significantly built on an entirely new alignment in this area. Very few recent Google Earth imagery exists in this area, but news reports are that some sections are opened recently with 2x2 lanes. Also note that this route also avoids Kyrgyz territory, the old route crossed the border 4 times.


Taraz bypass.


This is the area that avoids Kyrgyz territory. The black lines are current routes, the red line is the new highway, which may be a four-lane facility, but images are scarce. A new bridge across the Chu River has been constructed. A 36 kilometer section of this route will open December 16, 2012.
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Old December 1st, 2012, 02:14 AM   #111
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Kazakhstan already has wide roads, it just needs to repave them IMO.
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That is why I was surprised why a new alignment of M32 is being built north of Aralsk. It's just a kilometer or so from the existing road and it's not much wider either (not 2x2 at least).
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Old December 2nd, 2012, 06:01 AM   #113
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Bing Maps may have new Imagery. This is the case about Iran. Most of the updates I made on google maps in Iran are based on Bing Maps imagery.
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Old December 2nd, 2012, 10:06 PM   #114
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Kazakhstan is currently upgrading its east-west infrastructure, called the "China - Europe Highway". It consists chiefly of the M32 and A2 (ex-M39).
To be honest, I do not think much of this "China - Europe" stuff in KZ. It seems to be an old hype revisited; in days past there were many institutions in the country that used the adjective "Eurasian". Guess that's what comes when your country is in the middle of nowhere. But anything China <-> Europe would preferably take a different route through KZ than the A2. Ideal would be something a straight line Dzungarian Gate - Volgograd - Ukraine, but a route serving Astana and Orenburg would probably stand larger chances of success. Upgrades to the A2, with all due respect, are primarily good for trade in Central Asia, including between that region and China.

All that being said, these projects in the South of KZ make definite sense. Many of the main classical Central Asian throughfares cross the same border a number of times. Apart from the Kazach A2, roads around the Kyrgyzstan - Uzbekistan border stand out. The main route between the largest two towns of Kyrgyzstan had to be rerouted outside of Uzbekistan post-independance, for instance. It's all, to a large degree, the result of Stalin's reshuffeling of borders in Central Asia, which revealed little regard to historical ties. For transport purposes, this wasn't really a problem in Soviet days, but it has become one since then that is only being solved 20 years post-independance.
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Old December 2nd, 2012, 10:31 PM   #115
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If you draw a line from Berlin to rmqi, the shortest route is via Moscow, Kazan and Astana. Plain maps distort this view, suggesting a southern route is shorter.

However, from a Kazakh point of view it makes more sense to connect western Kazakhstan with southern Kazakhstan, than northern Kazakhstan with the south because those connections are already fairly adequate. Central Kazakhstan has very few roads, relying almost entirely on M32. And A2 (ex M39) carries more regional traffic, with sizable cities within a few hundred kilometers as opposed to the outback in central and western Kazakhstan.

Another important missing link for long-distance traffic in Kazakhstan is from Aytrau/Volgograd to Uralsk/Shymkent. There are simply no direct paved roads, all traffic has to route via Aktobe, a huge detour. The distance is about 740 kilometers as the crow flies, but the route by road is nearly twice that.

Another missing link in the area is from the north Caspian Region towards Uzbekistan. There are no continuous paved roads west of the Aral Sea (or what's left of it).
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Another important missing link for long-distance traffic in Kazakhstan is from Aytrau/Volgograd to Uralsk/Shymkent.
You mean Aral(sk).

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Another missing link in the area is from the north Caspian Region towards Uzbekistan.
And Turkmenistan, I'd add.
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If you draw a line from Berlin to rmqi, the shortest route is via Moscow, Kazan and Astana. Plain maps distort this view, suggesting a southern route is shorter.
At these distances a route closer to the Pole always results in a shorter route. Your flight from Western Europe to Beijing passes North of St. Petersburg. But that won't work for road construction. Having said that, a more southerly route via Uralsk, following the E38 would work out shorter than the route via Kazan. In the present situation, that route is not faster, but that shows that there is room for improvement. On top of that, there appears a lot of room for improvement by introducing a much directer Uralsk - Almaty route.

My own quick approach had been completely different, and not in fact based on a drive between Europe and China. There simply are not going to be enough of them to justify road construction. You would need to look at routes that provide decent connections within the region, which also happen to work for the big trip. So what I did was looking for a great new east-west route as a possible extension of European route E50, which more or less is the latitude of Central Europe and the Dzungarian Gate. Even though, in a long distance like Berlin - rmqi, a more northerly route will continue to work out, this appears to me a great axis to offer exciting new shorter routes and options into large parts of Central Asia. One potential branch could run from the North Caspian into West Uzbekistan and Turkmenabat.

It's that type of connections that would render the new Dzungarian Gate - Volgograd route (if ever built) worthwhile. And in the meantime, traffic to or from Berlin can stay on the route via Astana, or the E38 should they like to do so...
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Old December 2nd, 2012, 11:56 PM   #118
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Any overland traffic between China and Europe would be >95% freight, so from that point of view it makes more sense to invest in rail connection. Of course there are more local considerations as well and roads are needed.
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My own quick approach had been completely different, and not in fact based on a drive between Europe and China. There simply are not going to be enough of them to justify road construction.
But that's exactly what you're proposing: a completely new east-west road in the middle of nowhere with very few cities inbetween. My only major complaint is a big detour between Aral and Atyrau via Aktobe, as Chris mentioned.
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As I said earlier in Chinese thread, the southern route is more efficient. I mean A route from southern Caspian sea rather than North of it. You don't have to start your line from Berlin. Why not Milano? And also, the case is that transportation from China to Europe is way cheaper and more efficient via sea. The reason for the improvement of roads in Central Asia is that those countries are land-locked, so they need to have good access to sea ports or directly to the trading partners. So, obviously the route in Kazakhstan makes sense.
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