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Old January 29th, 2011, 02:20 PM   #261
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And as for the biased argument that the A-I motorway would be for tourism only, what makes you think that there would be a difference on BB motorway? ONLY tourists would pay 15,5 eurocents per km.
Are you sure about this amount (15,5 cents/km)?!
The construction's not started yet and by the time it will be completed, the cost could be even higher

Related to the profile of the users of the BB, I'm basing my assumptions on the lobby made by the italian small business community in Romania and beyond.
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Old January 30th, 2011, 08:23 PM   #262
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hahhaa what kind of bullshit I can read on here.....
This is on you.

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As long as those Turkish/Greek trucks take the Serbian route,
Yes they will, espacially the turkish trucks. I hope Serbia will have fun with them.

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You can have the leftovers from the superpower nations like Albania..... That's how it has been for the last 40 years.
And Romania is a super power in the discipline "corruption and stashing EU-funds away" ?! Come on, there is no reason to trade insults.

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I am confident they would take the Serbian route even if you guys charged nothing. It is faster and cheaper.
For all turkish trucks and partly for the greeks one, the route through Serbia is and will be the faster and cheaper way to CE.

As you can read out of the name (Adriatic-Ionian-Motorway), the AI will link the western part of Greece (up to Peloponnes) including Athens. This area would prefer the AI. Why is Greece investing in their part of the AI, if it's so useless for them as you are trying to explain us?
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Old January 31st, 2011, 10:11 AM   #263
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Yes they will, espacially the turkish trucks. I hope Serbia will have fun with them.

And Romania is a super power in the discipline "corruption and stashing EU-funds away" ?! Come on, there is no reason to trade insults.
Thanks for reminding us here

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For all turkish trucks and partly for the greeks one, the route through Serbia is and will be the faster and cheaper way to CE.

As you can read out of the name (Adriatic-Ionian-Motorway), the AI will link the western part of Greece (up to Peloponnes) including Athens. This area would prefer the AI. Why is Greece investing in their part of the AI, if it's so useless for them as you are trying to explain us?
To conclude (from my side), I repeat: I believe both AI and BB, are important! The first being supported by the Albanians, the Greeks and perhaps some more, the second one supported by the Serbs, the Romanians and also by the Italiens.
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Old January 31st, 2011, 11:18 AM   #264
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For some reason I think that the Chinese consortium will fail just like the others did.

And as for the biased argument that the A-I motorway would be for tourism only, what makes you think that there would be a difference on BB motorway? ONLY tourists would pay 15,5 eurocents per km.
I don't see what reason, since they have no problem with financing. Ever heard of Exim bank? I'm not saying they will get the job, but they sure have more chances than companies before them.

Let me repeat myself, we need primarily BB motorway so we can connect north and south of the country, also other main reasons are economy ties and tourism. A-I motorway is simply not a priority and I don't see how somebody from another country knows better what are priorities here in Montenegro.
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Old January 31st, 2011, 11:28 AM   #265
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Serbia is the largest industrialized country near Montenegro and Bar should be its main import and export facility. So a Beograd - Bar motorway seems justified. The current north-south road network in Montenegro is dangerous, narrow, slow and unreliable in the winter. Travel time cuts can be huge, so even at lower traffic volumes, this motorway is justified.

That said, I think the Adriatic-Ionian motorway is almost equally important as a transit route that benefits the entire coastal region, including Montenegro, which has high tourism potential beyond what's happening now in tourism. Add Albania and especially Greece to that, and you can see this motorway is important. While Greece is a bit out of reach for western European tourists to drive to by car, it is only a 12 hour drive from Zagreb to western Greece if this motorway is completed.
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Old January 31st, 2011, 12:57 PM   #266
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Thanks for reminding us here
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Old January 31st, 2011, 03:37 PM   #267
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Serbia is the largest industrialized country near Montenegro and Bar should be its main import and export facility. So a Beograd - Bar motorway seems justified. The current north-south road network in Montenegro is dangerous, narrow, slow and unreliable in the winter. Travel time cuts can be huge, so even at lower traffic volumes, this motorway is justified.

That said, I think the Adriatic-Ionian motorway is almost equally important as a transit route that benefits the entire coastal region, including Montenegro, which has high tourism potential beyond what's happening now in tourism. Add Albania and especially Greece to that, and you can see this motorway is important. While Greece is a bit out of reach for western European tourists to drive to by car, it is only a 12 hour drive from Zagreb to western Greece if this motorway is completed.
It is already less than 10h driving from Zagreb to Greece
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&sour...9,5.817261&z=8

And route from Athens to WE is more logical trough Serbia.
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Old January 31st, 2011, 04:00 PM   #268
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Italy - Athens is about equal via Beograd or Montenegro - Ioaninna - Patra. Considering the usage of the Brindisi - Igoumenitsa ferry by long-distance trucking, I think the Adriatic-Ionian motorway is feasible as an alternate to that ferry. However, from Trieste to western Greece via the A-I motorway is definitely shorter and faster than the route via Beograd.
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Old January 31st, 2011, 04:55 PM   #269
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I think Montenegro is cut out just like Bosnia from major highway routes. E-75 and E-70 are very important links beside that Montenegro should route to E-75 and E-70 junction in Belgrade as I hope Serbia will provide highway to Montenegrin border.

Also Serbia should finish E-75 Leskovac to Vranje then Novi Sad-Hungarian Border and E-70 Nish to Bulgarian Border.
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Old February 1st, 2011, 01:27 PM   #270
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Serbia is finishing those sections.
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Old February 1st, 2011, 02:26 PM   #271
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Leskovac-Vranje is not even started
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Old February 1st, 2011, 03:42 PM   #272
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Leskovac-Vranje is not even started
well, actually it is work in progress ... most important, financing is secured ...

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After receiving approval of the draft tender documents by the WB, acquire the conditions for tendering (expected in late January 2011.)
And the ability to open in the spring works on the highway E-75, from Ni to the border with Macedonia to two sections:
- Grabovnica - Grdelica (Gornje Polje) and
- Vladičin Han - Donji Neradovac (total of 5 contracts).

The remaining tenders:
- Grdelica - Vladičin Han
- Srpska Kuća - Levosoje
will be launched in the spring of the 2011th year.
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Након добијања сагласности на нацрт конкурсне документације од стране Светке банке стичу се услови за расписивање тендера (очекивано крајем јануара 2011. године) и могућност да се током пролећа отворе и радови на аутопуту Е-75, од Ниша до границе са Македонијом на две деонице:
- Грабовница Грделица (Горње Поље) и
- Владичин Хан Доњи Нерадовац (укупно 5 уговора).

Преостали тендери:
- Грделица- Владичин Хан,
- Српска кућа - Левосоје
биће расписани током пролећа 2011. године.
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Old February 1st, 2011, 03:51 PM   #273
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YU-AMC is romanian, isn't he?
He should know better...
But, taking into account he's location acronyms, he must be located somewhere between Toronto and Hong Kong
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Old February 16th, 2011, 10:00 PM   #274
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M18 Nikšić - BIH border

One of the best drives of Montenegro is found in the Piva Canyon in the north of the country:

















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Old February 17th, 2011, 02:44 AM   #275
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Wow, just wow. Much more interesting than our Dinaric Alps.
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Old February 17th, 2011, 01:34 PM   #276
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And I thought we saw all the most beautiful sites in Montenegro on our trip.....
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Old February 17th, 2011, 01:42 PM   #277
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There are alot of beautiful sites to see in our country

Chris, great pics

BTW, offer from Chinese companies for B-B motorway is expected by the end of this month.
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Old February 17th, 2011, 07:57 PM   #278
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Speaking of beautiful Montenegro drives...here's a nice video of one of the roads above the medieval walled town of Kotor:

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Old February 17th, 2011, 09:11 PM   #279
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Chinese offer for the motorway by the end of February?

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During the working visit to Pljevlja, Minister of Transport and Maritime Affairs Andrija Lompar said that the Montenegrin Government expects the Chinese investors to deliver the offer for the construction of the motorway from Bar to Boljare by the end of February.

Lompar said that representatives of Chinese companies are in Montenegro and are considering the ways of participation in the realisation of the project of construction of the motorway. During the meeting, Minister Lompar paid special attention to possibilities of development of the area of Pljevlja after the construction of the Risan-Zabljak.
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The Chinese certainly have experience with this type of terrain...
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