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Old February 19th, 2011, 12:20 AM   #281
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I was thinking about the Adriatic - Ionian corridor.

By far the most favorable terrain goes from Dubrovnik to Trebinje (BIH) to Nikšić to Podgorica to Shkodër.

A southern route entering Montenegro via Herceg Novi is virtually mission impossible. Even if you take the effects on the Kotor Bay out of the equation, it is still virtually impossible to construct a motorway there, the mountains rise up 1000 meters from the sea.

Although a southern route is interesting for tourism, an inland route via Nikšić is better for through traffic and is likely significantly cheaper to construct. Plus it connects the largest city Podgorica with the second largest city Nikšić. A possible obstruction might be the passage through Bosnia, it wouldn't surprise me if the Bosnian or Sprska government is not really eager to pay money for a motorway that only serves Trebinje... And the Croatian government may have to alter their plans of extending A1 further south from Dubrovnik. At Dubrovnik Croatian A1 needs to turn inland towards Trebinje to make a strategic entrance into Montenegro possible.
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Old February 19th, 2011, 12:35 AM   #282
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the part you are talking about is Herzegovina and not Bosnia.

and By far the most favourable terrain goes from Ploce, Stolac viaTrebinje (BIH) to Nikšić to Podgorica to Skadar (AL).

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Old February 19th, 2011, 11:58 AM   #283
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Does anybody know what the current status of the Verige bridge is? I read on Wikipedia (English, Germand and Serbian) that the planning phase was concluded in 2007 and construction would "soon" begin.
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Old February 19th, 2011, 02:46 PM   #284
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Unfortunately construction won't begin soon, maybe in 2012 or in the years to come. When new info comes we will post it here.
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Old February 19th, 2011, 09:24 PM   #285
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I think that Motorway AI would have higher AADT then motorway BB, because the first one would have transit vehicles going North-South (and vice versa) as well as destination Montenegro, while the other one would have only vehicles that Montenegro is their destination, no transit vehicles.

But which one is more important to Montenegro, best decision can make the Government of Montenegro (it is not all about AADT – right?).
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Old February 20th, 2011, 02:32 AM   #286
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Does anybody know what the current status of the Verige bridge is? I read on Wikipedia (English, Germand and Serbian) that the planning phase was concluded in 2007 and construction would "soon" begin.
For now, money presents the biggest obstacle to construction of Verige bridge. Also, a lot of people are against it - their reasoning is that it would be a major eyesore in the beautiful Boka Kotor Bay - so an even more expensive tunnel has been proposed as an alternate solution.

Personally, I don't mind the bridge since its tucked-away location is such that the most classic of Boka Kotor Bay views will not be spoiled...



One thing is sure, whether a bridge or tunnel is finally chosen, construction will not start for at least another five or six years - which is why the firm that currently operates the ferry service has been busy purchasing new ships - one joined the fleet two years ago while another, of an even bigger capacity, is scheduled to arrive this May from a Croatian shipyard.
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Old February 20th, 2011, 02:33 AM   #287
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I think that Motorway AI would have higher AADT then motorway BB, because the first one would have transit vehicles going North-South (and vice versa) as well as destination Montenegro, while the other one would have only vehicles that Montenegro is their destination, no transit vehicles.
From Bar they continue over sea to Italy ...

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Old February 20th, 2011, 03:44 AM   #288
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Beautiful picture.

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Old February 20th, 2011, 11:52 AM   #289
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For now, money presents the biggest obstacle to construction of Verige bridge. Also, a lot of people are against it - their reasoning is that it would be a major eyesore in the beautiful Boka Kotor Bay - so an even more expensive tunnel has been proposed as an alternate solution.

Personally, I don't mind the bridge since its tucked-away location is such that the most classic of Boka Kotor Bay views will not be spoiled...



One thing is sure, whether a bridge or tunnel is finally chosen, construction will not start for at least another five or six years - which is why the firm that currently operates the ferry service has been busy purchasing new ships - one joined the fleet two years ago while another, of an even bigger capacity, is scheduled to arrive this May from a Croatian shipyard.
The bridge would not be visible from Kotor or in this picture. The Verige Bridge would span the narrowest point of the bay between Tivat and Bijela.
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anyway, the nice bridge doesn't ruit the view imo. they would probably build some nice suspension or cable stayed bridge, which are always nice to see.
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I think that Motorway AI would have higher AADT then motorway BB, because the first one would have transit vehicles going North-South (and vice versa) as well as destination Montenegro, while the other one would have only vehicles that Montenegro is their destination, no transit vehicles.

But which one is more important to Montenegro, best decision can make the Government of Montenegro (it is not all about AADT – right?).
You think wrong. Because transit traffic is only smaller portion in AADT.

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Old February 20th, 2011, 01:03 PM   #292
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From Bar they continue over sea to Italy ...
Not more than a dozen vehicles a day.

In fact, only the vehicles from central and south Serbia could use the ferry to go to south and central Italy. Even travelers from Belgrade would not use the BB Motorway to go to Italy. For northern parts of Serbia, Romania, Hungary, etc. is much more convenient to go to Italy thru Zagreb and Slovenia, not to use the ferry in Montenegro.

For southern parts of Europe, to go to southern and central Italy is much more convenient to use ports of Durres and Igoumenitsa.

Travelers to Italy from Bosnia use the port of Split to go to Italy, if they use the ferry.

Definitely, vehicles that would be using BB motorway, as a destination would have Montenegro, and not any other country. Exception would make lorries from Serbia...

Definitely, I believe that AI Motorway would have higher AADT then BB Motorway. Perhaps two or even three times higher AADT.
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I believe Montenegrins will first build what's good for them, not others, and that is to connect the port of Bar with Podgorica and Serbia.
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For Montenegro, the most important thing is to connect the somewhat well-off areas of the coast & capital with the impoverished north - more infrastructure will spur investment & development, helping put to a stop to ever increasing migration of people from the northern regions down south.
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I believe Montenegrins will first build what's good for them, not others, and that is to connect the port of Bar with Podgorica and Serbia.
Yes, I agree with you about this. After all, I said the same few posts upper in this same page.

But, still, I think that AI motorway would have higher AADT than BB motorway.
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True, the north of Montenegro is much poorer than the south and quite isolated. The Beograd-Bar Motorway makes much more sense for Montenegro than the Adriatic-Ionian Motorway at the moment, so I don't blame them for building BB first.

Podgorica is increasingly well-connected to the south, with the opening of the Sozina tunnel towards Bar, the de-facto 1x2 expressway from Podgorica to Niksic and then they have renovated the back road leading into the western area of the Bay of Kotor, hence Herceg Novi is reasonably connected as well.

That said, I hope they can finish both motorways before 2020. Maybe European funding can take the brunt of the cost. The 650.000 people provide a meager tax base for such expensive motorways, but the 500 million people of the EU can easily provide sufficient funding.
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also, let's not forget that regarding economics, Montenegro is very dependent of Serbia. they probably have quite large import-export rate. that't also large reason to give priority to make motorway to direction Beograd first. or Beogradi (if you insist )
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For Montenegro, the most important thing is to connect the somewhat well-off areas of the coast & capital with the impoverished north - more infrastructure will spur investment & development, helping put to a stop to ever increasing migration of people from the northern regions down south.
Exactly, that's why people need to realize that B-B motorways is a priority. In years to come I would also like to see construction on A-I motorway, but let's go one step at a time.

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True, the north of Montenegro is much poorer than the south and quite isolated. The Beograd-Bar Motorway makes much more sense for Montenegro than the Adriatic-Ionian Motorway at the moment, so I don't blame them for building BB first.

Podgorica is increasingly well-connected to the south, with the opening of the Sozina tunnel towards Bar, the de-facto 1x2 expressway from Podgorica to Niksic and then they have renovated the back road leading into the western area of the Bay of Kotor, hence Herceg Novi is reasonably connected as well.

That said, I hope they can finish both motorways before 2020. Maybe European funding can take the brunt of the cost. The 650.000 people provide a meager tax base for such expensive motorways, but the 500 million people of the EU can easily provide sufficient funding.
1. Also there will be built Zeta bypass which will avoid Golubovci, and there will be 2+2 road all the way from Podgorica norh entrance to the south, and it will be aproximately 20 km long.

2. I hope for that too
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Old February 22nd, 2011, 03:13 PM   #299
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Offer for the motorway in 15 days

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22.2.2011 13:57:00 | Author/Source PressCut

Officials of the Chinese Development Bank stayed in Montenegro and the delivery of the offer for the construction of the motorway Bar-Boljare is expected in the next 15 days.

The Montenegrin Ministry of Transport and Maritime Affairs informed that it would not comment on the visit of the Chinese until the end of the planned procedure, with the claim that both sides are intensively working on the finalisation of the entire job. According to the unofficial information, Chinese representatives were impressed with the created project and it is certain that they will submit a satisfactory offer.
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Old March 9th, 2011, 08:59 PM   #300
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Any news about Bar-Boljare?

Do you something about opening a border crossing near Cakor (Rugova Canyon)? I have read, that the road from Murino to Cakor will be rebuild this year. I guess that won't be done without a cause?
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