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Old June 8th, 2014, 10:25 AM   #681
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I have a question: Are you allowed to drive the road in the north from Trsa to Zabljak: https://www.google.de/maps/dir/Žablj...d43.188329!3e0

Google Maps can't do proper routing, therefore both are drawn. I know that it's a dirt / gravel road, but that would be ok if you are allowed to drive there.
Yes, section from Piva lake via Trsa to Zabljak is in good shape, covered with asphalt, but curvy and narrow, thus with low trafic density.

Here is a video from main road near Piva lake, to Trsa. Rest of the road to Zabljak is similiar to this conditions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu706x_yKBo

Or go to YT and search for Droga Zabljak Trsa and you can see whole road

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Old June 8th, 2014, 02:41 PM   #682
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Thanks, I know that road. It's the one in the south in my linked Google Maps, I drove there several years ago before when there were the construction works for the pavement. It's a beautiful road.

But I mean the other option from Trsa to Zabljak, the one shown in the north, over Nedajno and through Sušica canyon https://goo.gl/maps/8uN4z
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Old June 8th, 2014, 02:48 PM   #683
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Thanks, I know that road. It's the one in the south in my linked Google Maps, I drove there several years ago before when there were the construction works for the pavement. It's a beautiful road.

But I mean the other option from Trsa to Zabljak, the one shown in the north, over Nedajno and through Sušica canyon https://goo.gl/maps/8uN4z
Sorry, I missunderstood.

Don't risk with road over Nedajno.
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Old June 8th, 2014, 03:32 PM   #684
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What do you mean? It's for sightseeing, no need for hurrying and I have no problem with narrow and curvy roads - as long as the way isn't senseless because e.g. the road is closed somewhere.

The road seems ok on some pictures, but I can't find informations if the road is open for vehicles / the public. In Trsa, there's only Nedajno signed (which makes sense, you don't want to route traffic to Zabljak there) and I don't find further informations...
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Old June 8th, 2014, 04:55 PM   #685
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I could be wrong, but it seems to me that Montenegro will not have a motorway until the EU are willing to fund 85% and then it will be whichever option the EU are willing to fund. Borrowing money from China that could eventually be had for free from the EU doesn't make sense to me.
I seem to agree, notwithstanding that the amount of tourists willing to drive through/from Serbia instead of flying compared to the amount of tourist willing to drive from Bosnia/Croatia has to be much lower.
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Old June 9th, 2014, 01:37 AM   #686
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I could be wrong, but it seems to me that Montenegro will not have a motorway until the EU are willing to fund 85% and then it will be whichever option the EU are willing to fund. Borrowing money from China that could eventually be had for free from the EU doesn't make sense to me.
The problem is that the EU doesn't seem to consider the route to be important strategically. There's already two decent routes from Greece to central Europe, and Serbia joining the EU is more likely than Albania.

When we think about Montenegro, we think about summer months - but the place is dead most of the year. It's the same with the corridor from Metkovic to Dubrovnik - the EU simply isn't interested because the road is very quiet most of the year.

The most sensible thing Montenegro could do is to build small pieces here and there as an single carriageway motorway with full grade separation. For instance, from Tivat Airport to Radankovici. They could charge a yearly vignette at a reasonable price to pay for such construction, and they could try and save the money to pay for things such as a Budva bypass.
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Old June 9th, 2014, 01:47 AM   #687
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The problem is that the EU doesn't seem to consider the route to be important strategically. There's already two decent routes from Greece to central Europe, and Serbia joining the EU is more likely than Albania.
The EU didn't consider the expressways on the Canary Islands to be strategically important, but funded those anyway. They never would have been built without EU funding.
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Old June 9th, 2014, 02:31 PM   #688
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When will the Bar - Boljare highway work start, by the way? it was written like the money was found, whats missing now?
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Old June 11th, 2014, 12:23 AM   #689
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What do you mean? It's for sightseeing, no need for hurrying and I have no problem with narrow and curvy roads - as long as the way isn't senseless because e.g. the road is closed somewhere.

The road seems ok on some pictures, but I can't find informations if the road is open for vehicles / the public. In Trsa, there's only Nedajno signed (which makes sense, you don't want to route traffic to Zabljak there) and I don't find further informations...
To be honest, I don't know for sure.
I saw that road 10 yrs ago. There are a few premanent residents in village of Nedajno, and question is how that road has been maintenanted for years.
If you have a proper vehicle, maybe you should try. Of course on some bright sunny day.
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Old June 11th, 2014, 09:47 AM   #690
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When will the Bar - Boljare highway work start, by the way? it was written like the money was found, whats missing now?
Chinese money is never straightforward, it seems.

I suspect the Chinese have been looking for substantial concessions in exchange for putting up the cash, and while there might be an agreement in theory, there won't be one in reality.

Like the other route, Belgrade-Bar traffic is pretty light anyway. I drove that route in the middle of summer, and while Serbia can justify it, the traffic volumes were next to nothing in Montenegro.
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Old June 17th, 2014, 01:24 AM   #691
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Some pictures from my trip to MNE 3 weeks ago...

Crossing into MNE at Kobila


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Old June 17th, 2014, 01:25 AM   #692
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Driving further towards Kotor


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Old June 23rd, 2014, 07:11 PM   #693
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I see the advertising is in russian language)) Is it Montenegro?))
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Old June 23rd, 2014, 10:41 PM   #694
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I see the advertising is in russian language)) Is it Montenegro?))
Yep, there have russian advertising posters
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Old June 23rd, 2014, 10:47 PM   #695
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There are many Russians that bought properties in Montenegro.
You also hear much Russian on the street and in shops.
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Old June 23rd, 2014, 11:31 PM   #696
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There are many Russians that bought properties in Montenegro.
You also hear much Russian on the street and in shops.
My wife walked out of one restaurant after they came up to her with a smile and said "ah, Russkiy!" after they heard her speaking Polish to me. But she made a point of saying "Ah, Chorwat!" to the poor guy on the way out. He was equally offended

It also reminds me of stopping at a very small café somewhere in deepest darkest Serbia, about 50km from the Montenegrin border. The café only had the menu in Cyrillic, and the woman working there was completely bewildered that someone that couldn't read Cyrillic would stop there. As far as we understood, we were the first customers who couldn't speak one of the local languages or who couldn't read Cyrillic.

Incidentally, I've been to Montenegro, but I couldn't quite work out the answer to this one - is Montenegro similar to Serbia in that you can use both alphabets freely, or is it expected that you use the Latin alphabet?
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Old June 24th, 2014, 12:17 AM   #697
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Both is possible, it's even guaranted in the constitution. But I have the feeling that the Latin alphabet is much more popular than Cyrillic. At least in the southern regions.
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Old June 24th, 2014, 01:06 AM   #698
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In recent years, especially before Montenegro's independence 2006 Latin script was favourised by authorities againts Cyrillic, which almost disappeared. Newspapers, personal documents, national television - everything in Montenegro is in Latin script, just to be different from Serbia.
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Old June 24th, 2014, 01:34 AM   #699
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Just a shot for now, I will post more the next days...
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The Old Royal road between Kotor and Cetinje


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