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Old August 22nd, 2009, 12:14 PM   #101
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Which is what I said ("an entry visa"). You also need to pay a visa to Albania, valued at no less than 10 euros. And panda is complaining that he didn't have to pay full price for admission to the castle.
I'm not complaining but I just signalled a corruption fact.For me it's very good, but for you it shouldn't be, as state budget won't take taxes from that castle.As for the visa, you are the only country in Europe that requests visas for EU citizens, excepting Russia and Belarus.That's a great way to say 'Welcome' to EU tourists.
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Old August 22nd, 2009, 12:30 PM   #102
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AFAIK you also need a visa for Turkey, which you can buy for 10 euros when you enter the country.
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Old August 22nd, 2009, 12:30 PM   #103
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AFAIK you also need a visa for Turkey, which you can buy at the airport for 10 euros.
Only less than 3% of Turkey is in Europe.
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Old August 22nd, 2009, 12:34 PM   #104
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So? It's in Europe and they might join the EU in future, so I consider Turkey as Europe. BY the way, the majority of Russia in Asia.
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Old August 22nd, 2009, 12:40 PM   #105
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I'm not complaining but I just signalled a corruption fact.For me it's very good, but for you it shouldn't be, as state budget won't take taxes from that castle.As for the visa, you are the only country in Europe that requests visas for EU citizens, excepting Russia and Belarus.That's a great way to say 'Welcome' to EU tourists.
And the EU treats citizens of Albania as if they were all criminals and crooks when they apply for a visa, so it's a mutual thing. Most of the tourists to Albania are from neighboring countries anyway, so it's no great loss for them right now. Do you know what it takes for an Albanian citizen to get a visa to Romania, for example?
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Old August 22nd, 2009, 12:43 PM   #106
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So? It's in Europe and they might join the EU in future, so I consider Turkey as Europe. BY the way, the majority of Russia in Asia.
Maybe you can consider it but not many do so.For example when I went to Netherlands in April, I booked to a camping near Middelburg for 2 nights and gave them my adress.On the receipt confirming the reservation, they wrote at my adress 'Buiten Europa'.And we are in Eu since 2007
So, if we would consider Russia and Turkey not in Europe, only Belarus and Albania require a visa to enter for EU citizens.It's stupid I can go even to South Korea without a visa and Albania requests visa.
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Old August 22nd, 2009, 12:49 PM   #107
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It's stupid I can go even to South Korea without a visa and Albania requests visa.
But it's not stupid for Romania to require visas for Albanian citizens?
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Old August 22nd, 2009, 12:57 PM   #108
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Romania=EU and it is indeed stupid that citizens from non-EU countries have such difficulty with getting visa for EU countries.
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Old August 22nd, 2009, 03:07 PM   #109
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Friends, calm down and let this please go back on topic!

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I think that Debeli Brijeg is the only HR-MNE border crossing. As far as I know there are no crossings on the Prevlaka peninsula, if I'm right.
There is one! From Montenegro its called "Kobila", from Croatia "Vitaljina". But its a very small border crossing not suitable for any kind of heavy traffic. Even though it definetly is an "international" border crossing at the croatian side it can happen that the police officer after you wake him up sleeping in his container tries to explain that the border crossing is only for local traffic, which is absolutely incorrect .

After crossing Herceg-Novi and Igalo, behind the Europetrol Gas Station turn left towards Njivice, drive a while and there you are at the Montenegro BC. Going a while through no mans land and suddenly you´ll find the croatian containers. Afterwards the road to the village of Vitaljina is very narrow, so passing by someone else can really be a problem. After Vilaljina you go a while until you reach the "Jadranska Magistrala" again before Gruda.

Coming from Croatia after Gruda turn right in direction Vitaljina or "Prevlaka".

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- the border line in GE is very bad, the green line should be more correct


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Old August 23rd, 2009, 10:27 AM   #110
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For those of you who are denying the corruption are totally wrong, I have nothing against Montenegrins in general but their police service is much more corrupt than that of Serbia's, Albania's FYROM's, Kosovo's, Croatia's, Bosnia's.... Trust me i've been too all these countries in the recent years.
me too and they are all the same
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Old August 23rd, 2009, 10:35 AM   #111
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Most neighboring countries don't need to pay 10€ for Albania (from Kosovo you can visit only with ID, just like you can go to MNE only with ID), but I'm not sure if Montenegro has such a policy for cars from neighboring countries.
All cars have to have this yearly vignette (ecological tax)
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Old August 23rd, 2009, 02:50 PM   #112
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All cars have to have this yearly vignette (ecological tax)
not only cars. for lorries it costs 150€
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Old August 24th, 2009, 12:04 AM   #113
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not only cars. for lorries it costs 150€
That's pretty steep. Do lorries really affect the environment 1500% more than regular cars?
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Old August 24th, 2009, 12:14 AM   #114
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No. They use about 4 times more fuel than a petrol car, but when measured by moved tonne, a truck is more fuel efficient than a car.

I think they do that because in transportation, € 150 is nothing, companies will pay that without blinking an eye.
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Old August 27th, 2009, 08:51 PM   #115
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Something for fellow statistics lovers....

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TUNEL “SOZINA” I OVE GODINE BILjEŽI ODLIČNE REZULTATE OD NAPLATE PUTARINE
Građevinski radovi već otplaćeni

Kroz tunel “Sozina” u julu ove godine prošlo je 344.078 vozila i ostvaren prihod od naplate naknade - putarine u iznosu od 1.112.541 euro. U poređenju sa julom prošle godine, broj vozila je manji 3,2 odsto i manje je naplaćeno za 5,98 odsto. Ukupno, od januara do jula ove godine, kroz “Sozinu” je prošlo 1.283.259 vozila i naplaćeno 4.493.837,50 eura - za sedam mjeseci. U odnosu na isti uporedni period prošle godine, vozila je manje za 1,48 odsto, a smanjen je i prihod - 5,27 odsto.

Po mjesecima to izgleda ovako: U januaru 132.242 vozila i prihod od 464.282 eura, februaru 119.229 i 453.777 eura, martu 136.717 i 512.548, aprilu 153.414 i 557.103, maju 183.063 i 650.400 i junu 214.516 i 743.185,50 eura.

U januaru prošle godine ostvareni promet kroz tunel je iznosio 125.057 vozila i prihod 463.946 eura, februaru 123.372 i 480.995,50, martu 138.968 i 538.835,50, aprilu 148.487 i 565.558,50, maju 161.101 i 681.325, i junu 232.262 i 831,924 eura.

Prvog avgusta ove godine zabilježen je ovogodišnji rekordni promet od 16.076 vozila, a prošlogodišnji rekord tunela iznosi 16.444 vozila - 20. jula, saopštio nam je Ratko Đurašević iz “Monteputa”.
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During the first seven months, ~1,3 million vehicles passed through the Sozina tunnel, longest road tunnel in Montenegro. Total toll collected was ~4,5 million euros. Since it was opened in 2005, almost 30 million euros has been collected in tolls. The 4,2km long tunnel itself cost around ~70 million euros to build (30 million for actual construction + 40 million to equip it) - meaning, it will pretty much pay for itself within 10 years

In 2008, an otherwise record year for the tunnel, close to 2,8 million vehicles passed through.
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During the first seven months, ~1,3 million vehicles passed through the Sozina tunnel, longest road tunnel in Montenegro. Total toll collected was ~4,5 million euros. Since it was opened in 2005, almost 30 million euros has been collected in tolls. The 4,2km long tunnel itself cost around ~70 million euros to build (30 million for actual construction + 40 million to equip it) - meaning, it will pretty much pay for itself within 10 years

In 2008, an otherwise record year for the tunnel, close to 2,8 million vehicles passed through.
How much is the current toll for the Sozina tunnel?
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Old August 27th, 2009, 11:23 PM   #117
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How much is the current toll for the Sozina tunnel?
It's 2,5 euros for passenger cars...
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Old August 28th, 2009, 01:39 AM   #118
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That's quite cheap for such a tunnel, compared to tolls in other countries. I guess this means we can be optimistic that Montenegro can build those amazing motorways that it needs and also recover the money, since tourism will only increase in the future.
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How long is this tunnel?
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About 4,2 kilometers. Longest road tunnel in Montenegro, but second longest overall, after Sozina railway tunnel on Belgrade-Bar railway.
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