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Old July 17th, 2011, 11:42 PM   #21
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Old July 25th, 2011, 12:58 AM   #23
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Anyone know how many people that can live in Dachong after all the reconstruction of apartments and skyscrapers are done? In other words, how many people can Dachong hold?
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Old October 23rd, 2011, 06:00 PM   #24
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Old October 24th, 2011, 01:19 PM   #25
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Sad to see a small scale dense neighboorhood being demolished to make place for 'just onother group of generic towers'.
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Old October 25th, 2011, 02:38 AM   #26
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Sad to see a small scale dense neighboorhood being demolished to make place for 'just onother group of generic towers'.
Cry me a river! This is for sure an upgrade in living quality and the previous owners were compensated.
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Old October 25th, 2011, 10:21 AM   #27
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I expected a reaction like this. Don't get me wrong, I know you're right in living standards. But the old buildings were built around the human scale, the new project is not, it's designed from a helicopter viewing point.

It would be much more interesting to see if it is possible to check if you can redevellop the area, improving the livability within the excisting lay out. I as an urban designer would love to try, much more interesting then just another generic plan with towers...
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Old October 25th, 2011, 04:23 PM   #28
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Define human scale? Shops on the bottom, residential on top. Whats wrong with that. Saving on land is a good thing.
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Old October 25th, 2011, 05:47 PM   #29
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I'm not sure the new plan is more dense than the old situation. I don't think there is much difference. I don't know the details of the space between the buildings in this project but in most cases it's a space where nothing happens designed for cars with the people in malls. Original urban life is gone.
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Old October 27th, 2011, 07:57 AM   #30
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I'm not sure the new plan is more dense than the old situation. I don't think there is much difference. I don't know the details of the space between the buildings in this project but in most cases it's a space where nothing happens designed for cars with the people in malls. Original urban life is gone.
In China we call those old houses "handshake houses",so you can imagine how dense they were.
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Old January 15th, 2012, 05:53 PM   #31
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I expected a reaction like this. Don't get me wrong, I know you're right in living standards. But the old buildings were built around the human scale, the new project is not, it's designed from a helicopter viewing point.

It would be much more interesting to see if it is possible to check if you can redevellop the area, improving the livability within the excisting lay out. I as an urban designer would love to try, much more interesting then just another generic plan with towers...
Easy to say when you don't live there...

These little concrete apartment buildings are utter crap and the only loss will be the sense of community these people had.
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Old January 16th, 2012, 10:32 AM   #33
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the only loss will be the sense of community these people had.
which community ? most of those living in those ghettos were tenants who are living for one-two max. three years then move to other place, in most of the cases cheaper, since the rent cost surge every few months. they usually have jobs who keep them busy all day, not too much time being left to walk around their homes. also, most of the peoples stranded in such places come from various places, they are migrant workers, some of them unable to speak mandarin, just their local dialect, so imagine how they can create any kind of relations with the neighbors.
the landlords of this wall boxes became rich enough to afford to live in decent places since they are rubbing poor's peoples rent. i know some of them personally.
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Old January 16th, 2012, 04:47 PM   #34
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This is one of the biggest projects on SSC. How many skyscrapers are there?
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Old January 19th, 2012, 05:56 AM   #35
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75 years ago, the North End in Boston and SoHo in New York were considered "slums". Now, they comprise some of the most popular real estate in their respective cities. Most of the "affordable housing" that the government is building is in Guangming, in highrise style apartments at the edge of the city. And we know how well housing projects have worked in other countries...

Luckily, in many areas of Shenzhen, the former "slums" are developing faster than the government's bulldozers can reach them. Shuiwei/Huanggang in particular has developed nicely into a rather pleasant area housing some of the best restaurants in the city. And while a large swath of Xiasha has been wiped out, the remainder of the Xiasha/Shangxia area is one of the most livable areas in the city. Similarly, what remains of old Shekou is an excellent place to take a stroll.

If you actually talk to the people who live in these places, it becomes clear that they in no way wish to move away from their "slum". For most of them, owning a small shop in the village is vastly preferable to living in the outskirts of the city and commuting to a factory job. Migrants move into Shenzhen to chase the dream of upward mobility, and these areas offer it.

Now, it is undeniably true that the Chinese government is getting much better at urban planning. In the past, when these areas were cleared, they were replaced by buildings that did not interact with the street at all. While the scale of some of the new projects detract from the area's livability, at the very least the government now understands the need for shopfronts, etc.
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