[Czech Republic] Demography

[otta]

Originally Posted by vlker

Ouch...my mistake...I thought it was about foreigners

i love this forum - even i mostly just observe, sorry for that - but talking about those issues, you should really stop to generalise...

[kokpit]

my contribution to the topic

As you can see, not being immigrants we would be in serious demographic slump nowadays. But this inflow will not last forever and our born/death rate will be soon <1 again...
But our planet is overcrowded after all so I think this trend is not that bad...

[Norkey]

Originally Posted by vlker

Ouch...my mistake...I thought it was about foreigners

They are foreigners.. Bohemian Romanies were nearly extinct in WW2, and Carpathian group of Romanies settled here.. see wiki

kokpit: I agree, but tell this to the Africans and Inds..

[Kappa21]

Originally Posted by ov_79

Nothing to do with Romania. Romanies = Gypsies. But following the political correction you have to call them Romanies, because they call "Roma" themselves. So the official english name "Gypsies" is supposed to be replaced by "Romanies". In the same way, the official czech name "Cikáni" is in a process of replacing by "Romové" .

Following this logic, you should replace "Czechs" by "Češi" and "Germans" by "Deutsch" (or Deutschies?) in english language.

Welfare creates degeneration. Degeneration creates political corectness...

When I was in Prague and Brno...i didnt see any Gypsies...
or maybe i did

I was around Nadrazi Holesovice Station, finding my way with 2 british broads when i saw a kid....or then again a midget...who had 2 earings, was kinda dark and was smoking.....
I was like This kid had to be like 5 or 6...how can he smoke?!?!

Than i was around the Charles bridge underneath and i saw a lady beg?

Where are all the gypsies? And what is the main arguement with them/against them?

Are they accepted? Do they commit crimes? Do they live in poverty? Refuse Czech identity?

[beowulf]

Originally Posted by kokpit

As you can see, not being immigrants we would be in serious demographic slump nowadays. But this inflow will not last forever and our born/death rate will be soon <1 again...
But our planet is overcrowded after all so I think this trend is not that bad...

Our demographic crisis is not that much about the natural population decline but the forthcoming rapid aging. Who will feed the army of Czech retirees which is to form 1/3 of the population by 2050? Our illustrious political leaders are obviously unable to come up with some reasonable reform of pensions.

[FIDEL CASTRO]

Originally Posted by Kappa21

Where are all the gypsies? And what is the main arguement with them/against them?

Are they accepted? Do they commit crimes? Do they live in poverty? Refuse Czech identity?

Yeah, we don't find gypsies here in America, but I used to live in a city where there was a Roma minority.

Why people hate them?

1) Practice of Black arts.
2) Thefts. Well known for that.
3) They never settle anywhere. One dday they are here, tomorrow they are in another place doing their things.
3) I don't know how it is in Czech, but they live in rundown wagons, settling temporarily in public parks or public squares. Then the park gets a bad image, it can be a dangerous and scary place for Non- Roma people.
4) Everywhere they go they are loud and always asking for money while their companions are sleeping on public sidewalks.
5) Have you seen those people who play the flute trying to wake up an viper? Well, those are the gypsies. The saddest thing is that they put a living monkey near the viper and sometimes the monkeys get killed by the snake.
6) You think the jews had it difficult living in Europe. The Roma people always had it worse. Everywhere they go they are extremly discriminated and treated like garbage.
7) Many used to be pagans, now they are becoming more Chritians.


To be sincere with you I have nothing against Roma people. Even though, many of them are like this, many are vert smart. They taught me a lot.

Try to read the Gypsy history timeline. Not even the jewish timeline is so sad as their history.

[kokpit]

Originally Posted by beowulf

Our demographic crisis is not that much about the natural population decline but the forthcoming rapid aging. Who will feed the army of Czech retirees which is to form 1/3 of the population by 2050? Our illustrious political leaders are obviously unable to come up with some reasonable reform of pensions.

True, true. If someone has population pyramids, current and prospective, it would be useful to show them in this thread.

[X236K]

Originally Posted by Kappa21

When I was in Prague and Brno...i didnt see any Gypsies...
or maybe i did

Sorry to say that but you must be either blind or very very lucky if you did not see them at all..

Originally Posted by Kappa21

Where are all the gypsies? And what is the main arguement with them/against them?

Are they accepted? Do they commit crimes? Do they live in poverty? Refuse Czech identity?

Frankly speaking, they are not accepted since most of them does not work, just fuck and make more small gypsies, they steal, shout, annoy all the "proper" people... not all of them but most.

[Kappa21]

Originally Posted by X236K

Sorry to say that but you must be either blind or very very lucky if you did not see them at all..

First they tell me im deaf, now they tell me im blind..
but no, i seriously did not see any....

I mean - there was a few people who had mild skin, but it could be tanned or not... My definition of a Gypsy is folkore and music....

Frankly speaking, they are not accepted since most of them does not work, just fuck and make more small gypsies, they steal, shout, annoy all the "proper" people... not all of them but most.

In this case. Keep them away from me as well!
but if they wanna get jiggy with it i dont mind...though diesease free...

I was reading somewhere that there is no real gypsy identity- much less the same as Ukrainian identity

[X236K]

Originally Posted by Kappa21

My definition of a Gypsy is folkore and music....

Common definition as above

You can call it folklore...

[FIDEL CASTRO]

Originally Posted by Kappa21

I was reading somewhere that there is no real gypsy identity- much less the same as Ukrainian identity

Where did you read such an ignorant statement?

[Kappa21]

Im Romanian

Im a jewish...
is there a Jewish community in Brno?
I only seen one in Praha and its really more of a touristy thing...

[FIDEL CASTRO]

Originally Posted by Kappa21

Im Romanian

Im a jewish...
is there a Jewish community in Brno?
I only seen one in Praha and its really more of a touristy thing...

I had a Czech grandma, her last name was Wackowitz or Wichowitz or something like that. I am not sure if she was a Jew, but I think she immigrated to Czech Repu from someother place (maybe) before coming to America. Is the last name Wackowitz or Wichowitz or Vichovickz or something like that from Czechoslovakia?

[FIDEL CASTRO]

Originally Posted by Kappa21

Im Romanian

Im a jewish...
is there a Jewish community in Brno?
I only seen one in Praha and its really more of a touristy thing...

I knew you were latino since the first time I saw your pics.

[Kappa21]

Originally Posted by FIDEL CASTRO

I had a Czech grandma, her last name was Wackowitz or Wichowitz or something like that. I am not sure if she was a Jew, but I think she immigrated to Czech Repu from someother place (maybe) before coming to America. Is the last name Wackowitz or Wichowitz or Vichovickz or something like that from Czechoslovakia?

hmmm a ladino speaking, maimi living, latin imagining, Czechoslavkian grandma-ing......... Heavy Metal Death Metal cranking 87 year old..

whats next?

[FIDEL CASTRO]

Originally Posted by Kappa21

hmmm a ladino speaking, maimi living, latin imagining, Czechoslavkian grandma-ing......... Heavy Metal Death Metal cranking 87 year old..

whats next?

Heavy Metal? Death Metal? you got the wrong dude. I am into Depressive Funeral Doom/ Black Metal with Symphonic and Martial Industrial touches.

[Norkey]

Originally Posted by FIDEL CASTRO

I had a Czech grandma, her last name was Wackowitz or Wichowitz or something like that. I am not sure if she was a Jew, but I think she immigrated to Czech Repu from someother place (maybe) before coming to America. Is the last name Wackowitz or Wichowitz or Vichovickz or something like that from Czechoslovakia?

It is possible.

As for the jews, there aren't many of them.. they were persecuted by Nazis and communists didn't liked them too, so most of them emigrated to Israel and N.America.. In every bigger city, they are some jew communities..

[FIDEL CASTRO]

Originally Posted by Norkey

It is possible.

As for the jews, there aren't many of them.. they were persecuted by Nazis and communists didn't liked them too, so most of them emigrated to Israel and N.America.. In every bigger city, they are some jew communities..

But she came here long before Hitler's reich.

[kokpit]

we have reached 10,4 mio ppl, biggest number since 1945
1st quarter of 2008: The surplus of live births over deaths was 2,030, the increase by migration was 20.0 thousands (While the number of immigrants (21.1 ths.) corresponds to that of the previous year, the registered number of emigrants was only 1.1 ths. (532 Czech citizens and 614 foreigners), i.e. by 3 thousands less than in the first quarter of 2007.)
http://www.czso.cz/eng/csu.nsf/informace/aoby061208.doc

quite alarming...

[ov_79]

Originally Posted by kokpit

we have reached 10,4 mio ppl, biggest number since 1945
1st quarter of 2008: The surplus of live births over deaths was 2,030, the increase by migration was 20.0 thousands (While the number of immigrants (21.1 ths.) corresponds to that of the previous year, the registered number of emigrants was only 1.1 ths. (532 Czech citizens and 614 foreigners), i.e. by 3 thousands less than in the first quarter of 2007.)
http://www.czso.cz/eng/csu.nsf/informace/aoby061208.doc
quite alarming...

I do not think it is that alarming.

Immigrance... Most of the immigrants are from Ukraine and some others from former Soviet Union (and Vietnam). If they find a job and do unattractive work in factories and constructions, I don t mind. We need them, because the new Czech generation won t work manually any more. And Ukrainians are far more closer in matter of culture and language than let say Pakistanies or Egyptians. And due to this reason Czech rep. is relatively attractive for them as well(unlike for Islamic).

Births... The strong 1973-1979 generation have children. This trend will be over in 5-7 years... Gypsies have always been growing fast, just we did not realize it in stats, because the total number was stagnating.