[Czech Republic] Demography

[Kappa21]

The thing is...if i had a choice to go somewhere..i dont mind coming and living in the Czech Republic.

The thing is, is that after next week, i graduate university with a Undergrad in 2 majors of the business category.

Would that impress someone in Czech or would they want more of the Ukrainians/USSR's/Vietnamese over someone who has education?

- Western, Fully educated and non-muslim (Jewish!!) any chance of getting a job/immigration?

BTW to get Citizenship in Czech Rep. how long does it take? 4 years?

[Bobek_Azbest]

^ 5 years, exceptions may apply. See Czech nationality law on Wikipedia.

[HiRazor]

It's 8 years actually. You have to be a permanent resident for at least the aforementioned 5 years before you can apply for the citizenship. But to become one (get a permanent resident permit) you have to be a long-term resident for at least 3 years.

However it's an improvement in comparison to how it was before 2005, when one had to be a long term resident for at least 5 years only to be eligible for permanent residence and then another 10 years or more of permanent residence were required to get the citizenship.


On the other hand to get a foreign citizenship is not easy anywhere and czech immigration and naturalization law is relatively liberal by european standards.

[Bobek_Azbest]

^ Yes, forgot about that.

[kokpit]

czech citizenship is useless anyway

[Kappa21]

its a ticket into the EU.

[kokpit]

Number of foreigners in Czech Rep is now 407 000 which is nearly 4% of population, there was quite considerable increase in last years, biggest number lives in Prague: 132 000

[headshottt]

Nice numbers. From 31 of March lived in Prague 1 218 644 inhabitants. Is this number for foreigners included in this number or not? thx

[kokpit]

Yes, I think they must be included. So almost 11% of Prague inhabitants are foreigners...

[mdka]

Originally Posted by X236K

Frankly speaking, they are not accepted since most of them does not work, just fuck and make more small gypsies, they steal, shout, annoy all the "proper" people... not all of them but most.

Haha,here in Bulgaria we have the same problem,there is so much work,especially in the construction and tourisum,byt most of the "black brothers " dont even think of working,but they make so much problems,the gipsies neightbourhoods are auwful ,misirible,they make sometimes a huge traffic jams with there horses,the only thing they do is make 4-5 children ,which they threat like animals,minimum
here is a recent picture of my city Plovdiv,an ironic one i would say,a hore died and made traffic problems,hores are forbbiden within the city,but there isnt any rules for "the black brothers"

[tersyxus]

Reminds me of Romania.

[mihai_alex]

Yes tersyxus, gypsies do the same things in Romania.
We have the same problem as the bulgarians, is it that wrong to hate this cancer of Europe?and it continues to spread all over because they don't use any contraceptive method.
They're the most useless being to have ever walked the earth.They steal, beg, don't get any education, and many of them don't even have documents.
They don't want jobs(except some,but they're treated like equals becuase they gained this respect by being normal human beings !) that is who they are and very few can be changed, they're nomads and they can't be helped, because it was tried,and it's tried every single day.
But there also is a different kind of gypsy,the rich kind, of course we know how they got rich, they don't cause the same problems as the others,but they are still a menice to society.
fuck gypsies

[BND]

Originally Posted by tersyxus

Reminds me of Romania.

Yeah, our gyps would eat a horse. They are more civilised here... They ride a Zhiguli and steal the petrol at night from other cars I had a similar experience with them like on the pictures from BG... The difference was that not the horse died but the rear axe of the Zhiguli fell out The traffic jam was similar too...

[mihai_alex]

An article about the gypsies from Romania, it proves to you the same things I wrote yesterday.

THE village of Vizuresti lies 35km (22 miles) from Bucharest and on the wrong side of the tracks. For the first few miles the road from the highway is paved, passing through a prosperous district with solid houses and well-tended fields. But once it crosses the railway, leading only to the Roma settlement, the tarmac stops. The way to Vizuresti is 20 minutes of deep potholes and ruts. Life for its 2,500 people, four-fifths of them Roma, is just as tough.

Mihai Sanda and his family, 37 of them, live in half-a-dozen self-built, mud-floored huts. In his two-room dwelling, seven people share one bedroom; chickens cluck in the other room. The dirt and smell, the lack of mains water, electricity, sewerage and telephone are all redolent of the poorest countries in the world. So is the illiteracy. Ionela Calin, a 34-year-old member of Mr Sanda's extended family, married at 15 without ever going to school. Of her eight children, four are unschooled. Two, Leonard, aged four and Narcissa, aged two, do not even have birth certificates; Ionela believes (wrongly, in fact) that she cannot register their birth because her own identity document has expired.


For the millions of Europeans—estimates range between 4m and 12m—loosely labelled as Roma or Gypsies, that is life: corralled into settlements that put them physically and psychologically at the edge of mainstream existence, with the gap between them and modernity growing rather than shrinking. The statistics are shocking: a Unicef report released in 2005 said that 84% of Roma in Bulgaria, 88% in Romania and 91% in Hungary lived below the poverty line. Perhaps even more shocking is the lack of a more detailed picture. Official indifference and Roma reluctance mean that data on life expectancy, infant mortality, employment and literacy rates are sparse. Yet all are deplorably lower than those of mainstream society.
The whole article
http://www.economist.com/world/europ...ry_id=11579339

A comment:
I believe the article fails to point out the fact that the main obstacles in Roma integration are Roma themselves, not racists. As a Romanian, I witnessed the communist strong integration policies failing spectacularly. Under the communist regime, Roma had access to jobs (in fact, it was mandatory for every citizen to have a job), state support for prolific families (in Romania, unlike other countries, they were in fact financially encouraged to have more children by the Ceausescu’s demographic policies), free education and virtually free housing. Many of them managed to avoid legitimate occupations and preferred to operate on the black market. As well, many of them managed to avoid schooling, despite teachers’ efforts (teachers were financially penalized for every dropout). Roma were living in the same grey apartment blocks like the rest of Romanian citizens (my parents were working at a bank, and still we had many Roma neighbors). Many of them pretty much destroyed the apartments they lived in, and successfully degraded the quality of living of their neighbors by constant quarrels and fights, loud music, random destruction of common property. This, more or less, continues to this day.

It is not true that Roma were more disadvantaged by the downfall of communism then the rest of the population. Many of them were quick to adapt and made lots of money. One village next to my hometown saw the rise of the Roma community, enriching itself by trading stolen copper. The native (and more law abiding) Romanians became the new underclass, their small houses dwarfed by the hundred Roma “palaces” (one of them is a 1:1 replica of the tribunal building where the owner was condemned in his youth).

The Economist dutifully observes that there is no Roma middle class; most integrated Roma forgo their Roma identity. That points out to the lack of compatibility between a modern society and traditional Roma culture that promotes forced marriage of children, that puts women in a categorically inferior position and practically sees theft and begging as legitimate means of making a living. The Roma social activists should concentrate more on de-legitimizing those practices in their community than on blaming racists. And the EU states should have the courage of enforcing the laws that all citizens obey: no child begging, no child marriages and no schooling exceptions. Roma do have alternatives: if non-Roma from Eastern Europe can do hard jobs in the Western part, so can the Roma. In Bucharest, the unemployment rate is under 2%, there is work to do for everybody. If only they want.

[WladYslaW]

Originally Posted by Norkey

maybe czech population will be lower in 2050, but there will be lot of immigrants from Eastern Europe and Central Asia and Vietnam and their children.. thx to the God there won't be many africans and moslems like in France, Spain or UK..

I agree. On an other hand it is really sad to realize that the European race is depopulated Especially in Ukraine
Yes, thos people just not only respect local traditions, culture and of course the religion. They want to force people accept their sometimes totally different foreign religion and lifestyle.

Originally Posted by ov_79

Immigrance... Most of the immigrants are from Ukraine and some others from former Soviet Union (and Vietnam). If they find a job and do unattractive work in factories and constructions, I don t mind. We need them, because the new Czech generation won t work manually any more. And Ukrainians are far more closer in matter of culture and language than let say Pakistanies or Egyptians. And due to this reason Czech rep. is relatively attractive for them as well(unlike for Islamic).

Here is some information about applicants for pemits for permanent residention divide into the countries (according to the program Projekt Výběr kvalifikovaných zahraničních pracovníků)



As you can see, people from not Christian countries prefer to choose another countries, like France, Sweden. Why they have to work if could be just make a lot of children and because of a perfect social welfare system spend benefits given from a local goverment.

[Henrich37]

Jedna vec je istá že celkový počet obyvateľov v ČR pomaly ale isto stúpa. ČR má pomerne vysokú životnú úroveň a tak rast je spôsobený nie len prirodzeným prírastkom obyvateľov ale aj imigrantmi. ČR mála v roku 2009 tuším 10 450 000 obyvateľov a napríklad Maďarská republika iba 10 020 000 obyvateľov. Pritom v 80 tych rokoch 20 storocia mala Maďarská republika vrchol okolo 10 720 000 obyvateľov a od vtedy stále klesá. ČR bude pomaly ale dlhodobo stúpať počet obyvateľov lebo vysoká životná úroveň je lákadlom pre prisťahovalcov z východnej europy. Za 8 ročnej vlády Mikuláša Dzurindu (1998-2006) nejeden Slovák odišiel do ČR lebo tu Dzurindová vláda znižila o 50 % sociálne dávky pri raste nezamestnanosti, navyše sa spoplatnilo zdravotníctvo. R. Fico zrušil poplatok 50,- SK/deň za pobyt v nemocnici a aj 20,- Sk za každú návštevu lekára. Sociálky stúpli a zamestnanosť sa aspoň čiastočne zmenšila. Výsledkom toho je že aj SR začína znova pribúdať a nie klesať počet obyvateľov. Napríklad vláda Roberta Ficu zaviedla 25 000,- Sk jednorázový príspevok pri narodení dieťaťa. Čo je tiež motivujúce hlavne pre chudobné ženy rodiť deti.

[HiRazor]

Nevím, jestli lákat přistěhovalce na sociální dávky a porodné je ta nejlepší cesta. Asi si umím představit jaký typ "přistěhovalce" na tyto lákadla slyší. Potřebujeme nové daňové poplatníky, ne daňové příživníky.

[WladYslaW]

Originally Posted by HiRazor

Nevím, jestli lákat přistěhovalce na sociální dávky a porodné je ta nejlepší cesta. Asi si umím představit jaký typ "přistěhovalce" na tyto lákadla slyší. Potřebujeme nové daňové poplatníky, ne daňové příživníky.

Naprosto souhlasim. Ale přemyslil jsem na tohle a nepochopil jak cizinec může ziskat možna důchod (jen po 15 letech zaměstnani v Česku) nebo jak nějaký zaměstnavatel bude davat penize za nic leda jen blazen...

Aby dostat třeba pracovní vizum potřebuji spousta potvrzení. Ja osobně aby ziskat studijní vizum (na 5 měsiců), mněl jsem přinest:

1. Potvrzení že nebyl jsem odsouzený na Ukrajině. Musil jsem osobně dvakrat jet do policie. Potom jel jsem tohle ověřovat v Kyěvě.

2. Potvrzení že neměl tuberkulozu, AIDS, syfilis a pak to všechno ověřovat v Kyěvě (stalo to asi 1000 Kč, což je 2 mých stupendiumů).

3. Potvrzení že budu mít ubytování od univěrzity

4. Potvrzení že budu mít finanční podporu (stipendium)

5. Zdravotní pojištěni

Bohudik narazil jsem na hodneho uřednika v konzulatě, a mé kamaraky řikali že jine naopak se divali na nich jako na nelegálnů.


Sorry for my Czech, I have just started to learn it around 5 monthes ago

[HiRazor]

Já vím,

reagoval jsem na Heinricha, který si myslí, že země by měla lákat přistěhovalce na sociální podpory.

To je podle mě cesta do pekel. Země by měla lákat na příležitosti k práci a studiu. Příjemci sociálních dávek nejsou pro žádnou společnost přínosem a společnost by měla usilovat o to mít jich co nejméně a naopak vytvářet podmínky pro maximální zaměstnanost mimochodem přesně tak, jak to dělala Dzurindova vláda, z jejíchž reforem Slovensko profituje dodnes.

[WladYslaW]

Originally Posted by HiRazor

Země by měla lákat na příležitosti k práci a studiu

Upřimně radejí bych pracoval u MacDonalda v Česku za 12-15 tisic Kč než na Ukrajině stavebním inženýrem za 4 tisice. Navic se mi libi že v ČR pracovní podminky jsou podle smlouvě.