[Czech Republic] Tramways and Tram Lines

[HiRazor]

Originally Posted by historyworks

Welcome back HiRazor! So what are the radii for 15T I wonder?

Way too busy recently, but I see the reporting on 15t wasn't harmed as fortunately others did the job.

For the minimum operating radii of 15t, they're the same as these of T3 (i.e. 18 m in commercial service / 15 m in depot. The tramcar is designed as a direct replacement of it incl. loading gauge etc. so that it can operate anywhere T3 is operated - i.e. half the globe.

[historyworks]

Originally Posted by HiRazor

anywhere T3 is operated - i.e. half the globe.

LOL! So true

If you can, please let us know of the results of any trials and whether it lives up to expectations of its performance. Are they going to run that demo model with the 3 different seating types in Prague to test on the citizens?

[RawLee]

Originally Posted by historyworks

That tram should definitely go in the Toronto tender!

Thats an ordinary T5C5. You can find heaps of it in EE. I think the turning radius is like 5m in this case
This particular accident happened because a switch was not secured properly,and the back didnt follow the front...

[historyworks]

Originally Posted by RawLee

This particular accident happened because a switch was not secured properly,and the back didnt follow the front...

Same with the Citadis in my post - points changed under the tram and front went up one track and the back up another! But your photo well-illustrates the problem for low floor design, so new systems seem to be now designed with minimum 20m radius. At least the 15T having bogies at the end won't have a wide swept path.

HiRazor I wonder if an implication for Prague of replacing T3s with less 15Ts (which have higher passenger capacity) means that you will have less frequent services? What is the present passenger capacity of a coupled pair of T3s?

[Bobek_Azbest]

Official capacity of single T3 is 100 people, official capacity of 15T under the same circumstances is 210 people (however I think that real-life capacity of 2xT3 will be a little bit higher than that of 15T). But not all T3s will be replaced by the current order of 15Ts. There are currently ~360 unmodernised T3s (T3, T3SU(CS), T3M), which will all go (sale or scrapyard, also modernisations are still done), and ~300 modernised T3R.Ps, which will last at least 15 years. Then there are T3R.PVs (35) and low-floor(-ish) T3R.PLFs (12 currently), which all are basically new trams. While no more R.PVs are planned, R.PLFs are still manufactured. So T3 reincarnations will be with us for quite some time.

I also heard of plans to get rid of the unmodernised T3s and also sell the T6 (possibly all 150 of them).

[historyworks]

Originally Posted by Bobek_Azbest

I also heard of plans to get rid of the unmodernised T3s a

Can I have one please? Surface postage will be OK

[Bobek_Azbest]

Well, 20 T3s were sold to North Korea not long time ago, so why not to Australia

[kokpit]

According to this article, Škoda is still in Toronto tender http://logistika.ihned.cz/c4-1000280...robce-v-cizine
Škoda at InnoTrans in Berlin http://www.skoda.cz/holding/novinky/...s-aid2710.html

[Bobek_Azbest]

Originally Posted by kokpit

According to this article, Škoda is still in Toronto tender ...

Yes, also noticed that, although it contradicts earlier reports from TTC.

[Herzarsen]

Extension of Tramline in Radlice is to be openned on October 4, 2008.

Prodloužení tramvajové trati do Radlic ovlivní i další linky MHD

vydáno: 02.10.2008, 09:43 | aktualizace: 02.10.2008 10:04


Praha - Prodloužení tramvajové trati do Radlic, kterou budou moci pražští cestující poprvé využít v sobotu 4. října, ovlivní i další linky pražské hromadné dopravy. Od soboty tak začnou tramvaje jezdit nejen v úseku Laurová - Radlická, ale bude obnoven také provoz v úseku Na Knížecí - Laurová, jenž byl přerušen v dubnu. Úpravy se dotknou i tramvají číslo 4, 6 a 7 a některých autobusů. Dnes to sdělil Filip Drápal, mluvčí společnosti Ropid, která v Praze a jejím okolí organizuje dopravu.


Na nové trati ke stanici metra Radlická, po které bude jezdit tramvaj číslo 7, budou zřízeny zastávky Škola Radlice a Radlická. Mezi současnými zastávkami Křížová a Laurová navíc přibude Braunova. Ve večerních hodinách se cestující u tohoto spoje dočkají kratších intervalů, tramvaj bude jezdit každých deset minut místo současných 20.

Náhradou za linku 7, která v současné době vozí cestující až do sídliště Řepy, bude podle Drápala v ranní špičce prodloužena tramvaj číslo 4 o úsek Kotlářka - Sídliště Řepy. Tramvaj číslo 6 bude místo do stanice Na Knížecí jezdit do obratiště Kotlářka. Šestka bude v provozu pouze v pracovní dny mezi 6:00 a 20:00.

Od 4. října se změní také jízdní řády některých autobusů. V Bohnicích bude zkrácen interval na linkách 102 a 144 v pracovní dny ráno ze šesti na pět minut. Linka 154 bude zkrácena o úsek Chodov - Koleje Jižní Město, ve zrušeném úseku jezdí podle Drápala dostatečně linka 136.

Omezen bude také provoz linky 182, která bude končit v zastávce sídliště Lhotka a fungovat bude pouze v pracovní dny ráno. "Jako náhradu lze použít kapacitní autobusové linky 139, 205 a 253 s možným přestupem v zastávce Družná. Částečnou náhradou je také posílení provozu linky 189 v pracovní dny odpoledne ve směru Kačerov," uvedl Drápal. Školní linka 553 bude nově zajíždět až do zastávky Na Návsi.


Source: http://www.ceskenoviny.cz/regiony/pr....php?id=336422

[Gag Halfrunt]

Originally Posted by kokpit

Škoda at InnoTrans in Berlin http://www.skoda.cz/holding/novinky/...s-aid2710.html

And the same report in English.

[headshottt]

[Bobek_Azbest]

Have to share this... today's Prague, from prazsketramvaje.cz.





Yes, the trams are like this (red = T3s, green = T6s, blue = KT8):

[kokpit]

[historyworks]

So trams can form triangles too - what clever technology!

Without translating every word, I gather that this post with interior pix of the Crotram and Berlin Flexity on the Prague tram forum

http://tram-forum.prazsketramvaje.cz...sd=a&start=810

is comparing the factor of wheelbox intrusion in 100% low floor designs compared to the 15T. The Crotram certainly demonstrates the problem very well! The Flexity is neater but I suspect is able to be because the bogies don't pivot like the 15T. Would I be right (question for CZ tram experts on forum)?

[historyworks]

Does anybody know where this scene is? I think it's on the Barrandov line.

http://video.filestube.com/video,107...a1ba303ea.html

I am trying to find good video of Prague trams at speed like this (but better quality). Any enthusiast DVDs or clips around that anyone knows of? I have already looked at several YouTube clips but not very good quality. Thanks.

[Bobek_Azbest]

I'm pretty sure it's in Jindřišská street, specifically here.
Compare it to this:

The white house on the right is Nr.16, the guy was shooting from the sidewalk opposite the Nr.22 (the yellow one).

And as a final proof, yes, there's a Baťa store (which can be clearly seen in the video) in Jindřišská 20.

[Bobek_Azbest]

Well this actually doesn't have anything to do with trams, but since I really don't know where to put this (and I don't think that it would deserve it's own thread), I'll put it here, as this is probably the most visited public transit related thread.

The future is coming. According to the November issue of Škodovák magazine (.pdf, 1.48MB, Czech only), Škoda company and Nuclear Research Institute are working on the new hydrogen-powered bus (not a hybrid, purely by hydrogen). By the look of things I would say it's basically their 24Tr trolleybus powered by the 48kW fuel cell and backed up by 26kWh batteries (max. output 100kW) and 0.36kWh ultracapacitors (max. output 200kW). The range should be 250kms and the road testing should start in spring.

[Reichenberger]

Originally Posted by Bobek_Azbest

By the look of things I would say it's basically their 24Tr trolleybus powered by the 48kW fuel cell and backed up by 26kWh batteries (max. output 100kW) and 0.36kWh ultracapacitors (max. output 200kW).

24Tr trolleybus? Rather Irisbus Citelis bus, which is either base for the 24Tr

Maybe the czech forum deserves a special topic for buses and trolleys...

[Bobek_Azbest]

^ Well of course that it's based on the Citelis, but the bus part really isn't that important in this project, it's the electrical part which matters.