State of South Florida, State of Miami?

[jzquince69]

that goes double for CFLA... we produce a super-majority of the tourist dollars but don't get anywhere near that in highway & infrastructure $$$.

most of the $$$ (except for the TNPK Authority) has been spent by local sources (including OOCEA) to help build up infrastructure to lure industries here. FDOT pumped us 5 years ago with exit to exit lanes and some true widening projects along I-4 north and south of town, but the real widening is still years off... and probably will continue to be so b/c of the state of the economy right now. The TNPK and OOCEA system will be the only active new highway roadwork we'll see here for a while (except for the 408-I-4 interchange).

[SkyDiveJunkee]

Originally Posted by MNiemann

hahaha.

anyway, half of my family lives in san francisco and the other half live in San Diego. you're right. the people in both cities have WAY more in common than people from west palm beach and from Jacksonville. two totally different cultures here in Florida. Different attitudes between nocal and socal, but not different cultures like we have here.

Maybe they have a lot in common because they are related?

[FIDEL CASTRO]

[MNiemann]

Originally Posted by SkyDiveJunkee

Maybe they have a lot in common because they are related?

i meant the people that live in the two cities in general. not just my family members. the average person in Jacksonville even has a different accent than the average South Floridian. it's just way different compared to california.

[jzquince69]

comparing sofla to nofla is pointless. 75% of Dade is non-white; that's different than any city/county in the whole U.S. let alone Jax. there's rich people in Jax just like in sofla... there just happens to be a few more Dukes fans up there.

but, when you're talking about the 'hood, sofla is no different than any other place--- there is no cultural distinction there; and there is a very sizeable 'hood there; been there, thru there...

where there's industry, there's the working class. Dade has it; Jax has it; LA has a lot of it; SF has it; San Diego has it. culture is the minority of the people that embrace it in the city ala sprinkling season salt over the entire dish to make it tastier.

[kevinkagy]

Originally Posted by jzquince69

comparing sofla to nofla is pointless. 75% of Dade is non-white; that's different than any city/county in the whole U.S. let alone Jax. there's rich people in Jax just like in sofla... there just happens to be a few more Dukes fans up there..

Miami-Dade County is actually is 78% White. 58% of that is White Hispanic and 20% of that is White Non-Hispanic.

[Hia-leah JDM]

where did you get 75% non-white!?!?, the VAST majority of this places is white!

[jzquince69]

Originally Posted by kevinkagy

Miami-Dade County is actually is 78% White. 58% of that is White Hispanic and 20% of that is White Non-Hispanic.

well, 22% is probably black according to your post.

of the 78% you call white, 58% of that is "white hispanic"? If it's a minority, it's non-"white" no matter how you slice it. And of that 78%, 20% is actually white, which means in all of Dade, something like only 15% is white.

So, how was I wrong in my post? Please clarify.

[Aceventura]

It's like this, a caucasian from a foriegn country is still a caucasian no matter if his language and cultural background is different. A white person from Itlay, Serbia, Hungary, Russia, Sweden, or Germany is still considered white, no? Same goes for a white person from Cuba, Argentina, Venezuela, or Ecuador.

[FIDEL CASTRO]

I think by white he means :

WHITE ANGLO SAXOn Protestant, son of Vikings and Lappi people.

[kevinkagy]

Originally Posted by jzquince69

well, 22% is probably black according to your post.

of the 78% you call white, 58% of that is "white hispanic"? If it's a minority, it's non-"white" no matter how you slice it. And of that 78%, 20% is actually white, which means in all of Dade, something like only 15% is white.

So, how was I wrong in my post? Please clarify.

Hispanic is not a race, as Hispanics can be Black, White, Asian, etc. Hispanics in Miami are all mostly White, there are few Hispanic Asians and Hispanic Blacks, they are all mostly either White or Mestizo. That's the way the U.S. Census does it at least.

Anyways, here are the U.S. Census numbers for Miami-Dade County for 2006:

White: 78%
-White Hispanic: 59%
-White Non-Hispanic: 19%
Black: 20%
Asian: 2%
Two or more races: 1%
Hispanic (of any race): 61%

[jzquince69]

I guess my point is that if there is a category on an application that asks if you are a minority, i.e., latin, then you aren't white. I'm Greek, look anglo, but get none of that special treatment, therefore I'm white.

and the gentleman was right above-- I mean white anglo's with no foreign blood within the last generation; non-latins; etc... there aren't that many in Dade and that's what makes it so different from many US cities... not that it's a bad thing-- only that it is what it is.

Those census numbers are BS. since when is there a white hispanic designation? I know some latins breed with blacks and some with whites and some with other latins; They paid the Census Bureau off to fool companies and industries into thinking Dade is full of anglos to lure businesses there, when it couldn't be further from the truth.

Like I said, if you qualify to color in the circle on an application as a minority, you aren't white.

after looking at those census numbers, I hit it right on-- 84% is all hispanic + black +asian + two or more races, to leave only 16% whites.

[FIDEL CASTRO]

Greek anglo looking? hahahahahahahhah

Since when there is a greek who looks like a bRITISH?

You must be olive brownish or something. To be sincere with you I wouldn't consider myself white if I were Greek. HAHAHHAHAHHAHA
You just made me laugh.

[FIDEL CASTRO]

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[FIDEL CASTRO]

Dude, you got it all wrong. White hispanic is a white person who is speaks spanish.

Hispanics can be any of the following:

Indian: Brown, short, stocky.
Mestizo: Combination of Indian and White
Mulato: Combiantion of white and black.
white: pure white (non greek, sicilian, or turkish, or any other brown stuff)
Arab: Arab ( muslim or jewish0)
Asian/white


For example I have a friend who is Asian/white anglo/ Arab/ and celt, but is hispanic because he was born in South AMERICA. He is the first one in his family to be an South American, still he is hispanic.

I know that many people have a hard time to think that there are pure white or Asian or black hispanics since the great majority in this country is a brown, short, stocky, and spiky haired Mexican.

[kevinkagy]

There are a lot of Hispanics that are of Italian, Spanish, German, English, French descent. What makes them any less white? Just because they speak Spanish? What I'm trying to say, is that take countries like Argentina, Uruguay and Chile, which are all mostly White and when I say White, I'm referring to the White you think of. There are very few people in these countries that are tan, or mestizos, unless they're immigrants from Peru or Brazilian, etc. The point I'm trying to prove is, Hispanics are not a specific race and can be black, white, brown, Asian, whatever.

[Hanshin-Tigress]

spanish is a european/white language in the first place.
white as in most of their blood is from spain-a white european nation. Alot of latin americans are "white" with mostly spaniard and french blood.

And second of all anglo or british blood is not the biggest white ethnic group in the US, in fact it is german. So most of the "white" america is descended from german protestants.

[jzquince69]

crazy, isn't it... a Greek who looks whiter than a Swedish person-- not really-- I have brown hair;


I think "white" is being used for a lot of meanings-- I only mean white folks-- non-latin in any way-- non-PR, Cuban, Mexican, Central or South American, or Spanish/Portugese.

I don't mean skin color, i.e. tan, etc... more like W.A.S.P.-ish... Dade only has about 15% of them-- like the typical resident of, say, Ohio, or, upstate New York, or rural Illinois or Indiana... white; what latins would refer to as "gringo."

[Hanshin-Tigress]

italians, french, portuguese, romanians, spanish are all latins and white. They are white european caucasians, just like germans are white etc. Go to spain and tell me the people arent white, or go to france and tell the people they arent white. 70% or w/e of miami is white, meaning regardless of the LANGUAGE (language does not DETERMINE race) they are european/white people. Their ancestors most likely from white spain/france etc. "hispanic" is not a race since there are black/white/native american hispanics. Hispanic/latin just means the language you speak, and either way the latin languages including spanish are white/european languages anyways. Most spaniards are whiter then greek people (my step dad is greek and i am half french and visit france/spain every year) who are considered white. The first "white" people to set foot on america after all were the spaniard conquistadores.


"I only mean white folks-- non-latin in any way"
Many latins, and basically all the "latins" in europe are "white folks". If you mean white people that follow the "american culture" then whites in sweden, greece,italy, france are not "white folks" since they are not "WASPS".

[jzquince69]

okay, then I'll limit it to latin or latin descent who can pencil in "minority" on a job or college application. it's a pretty simple point here, that Dade is mostly latin; forget about "white".

the whole point is the reality that Miami is a haven for Cubans and other hispanics, et al. always has been. Dade is mostly hispanic, whether you're white or not. But those census numbers are trying to hide that fact by classifying hispanics as white to make Dade "whites" look like they're like Duval "whites" or Cuyahoga "whites" or Cook "whites" which isn't the case. That designation is the first time I've ever seen that.

I've got a buddy who's Cuban descent; born in Miami; and he's more white than me- but he's still hispanic, still a minority, still gets that benefit on applications, and makes up the majority of what you'll find in Dade. Another buddy is Mexican descent from AZ and now lives in the Gables. And yet another buddy is Puerto Rican descent from NYC and is also more white than me. He lives in Orlando and is also hispanic.