State of South Florida, State of Miami?

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by brickell

Here's Our Official Petition For South Florida to Secede From The Rest of This Awful State
http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/ripti..._have_sout.php

You just had to post on a thread that nobody has posted on in over 4 years. This thread shouldn't even be here and it's derisive.

[brickell]

I thought it was funny. You'd rather I create a new thread?

[Dale]

Originally Posted by brickell

Here's Our Official Petition For South Florida to Secede From The Rest of This Awful State
http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/ripti..._have_sout.php

Can you please put this on a fast track ? No more Miami banana republic bungling, like this last election.

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by brickell

I thought it was funny. You'd rather I create a new thread?

In can be funny to some people, but it can also be taken the wrong way, and I do think it's more appropriate for the Miami forum rather than the Florida forum.

[jzquince69]

yeah, well back in Chicago they joke about seceding from the rest of Illinois. If you've ever been to Illinois, once you leave Chicago metro, there isn't anything noteworthy to speak of.

But in FLA, most of the population of the state exists outside of SoFla. Business-wise, as far as pain clinics go, most of the new ones popping up in the rest of the state are branches of ones from SoFla, and most of those are corrupt and on the "radar". That's the stigma of SoFla private medical clinics. That includes new orthopedic clinics too.

Also, isn't Dade and more specifically the Palmetto (826) the former site of all the disgruntled motorists who just decided to stop and get out of their cars on the highway to protest the Elian Gonzalez fiasco back in the '90's and literally in effect shut the city down?

And the Miami Vice/ Scarface phenomenon: film reel glorifying the drug trade and how all the cocaine pretty much came into the US via Miami/Port of Miami, etc.

Man, you really make a good case for South Florida to secede from the rest of the state. I agree with you, they should secede from this awful state. And make sure you take Liberty City, Carrol City, and Opa Locka with you...oh yeah, that's all Dade.

no hard feelings.

[Lakelander]

A major obstacle to gaining state support for local economic and infrastructure projects would be removed for other regions. I'm sure Jax would love the extra business gained from associated losses at Port Everglades and Port of Miami as a result of succession. Anyway, funny article. I enjoyed reading it.

[Hia-leah JDM]

Originally Posted by jzquince69

yeah, well back in Chicago they joke about seceding from the rest of Illinois. If you've ever been to Illinois, once you leave Chicago metro, there isn't anything noteworthy to speak of.

But in FLA, most of the population of the state exists outside of SoFla. Business-wise, as far as pain clinics go, most of the new ones popping up in the rest of the state are branches of ones from SoFla, and most of those are corrupt and on the "radar". That's the stigma of SoFla private medical clinics. That includes new orthopedic clinics too.

Also, isn't Dade and more specifically the Palmetto (826) the former site of all the disgruntled motorists who just decided to stop and get out of their cars on the highway to protest the Elian Gonzalez fiasco back in the '90's and literally in effect shut the city down?

And the Miami Vice/ Scarface phenomenon: film reel glorifying the drug trade and how all the cocaine pretty much came into the US via Miami/Port of Miami, etc.

Man, you really make a good case for South Florida to secede from the rest of the state. I agree with you, they should secede from this awful state. And make sure you take Liberty City, Carrol City, and Opa Locka with you...oh yeah, that's all Dade.

no hard feelings.

Ugh I hate this shit, probably even more than the petition signing republicans.

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by jzquince69

yeah, well back in Chicago they joke about seceding from the rest of Illinois. If you've ever been to Illinois, once you leave Chicago metro, there isn't anything noteworthy to speak of.

But in FLA, most of the population of the state exists outside of SoFla. Business-wise, as far as pain clinics go, most of the new ones popping up in the rest of the state are branches of ones from SoFla, and most of those are corrupt and on the "radar". That's the stigma of SoFla private medical clinics. That includes new orthopedic clinics too.

Also, isn't Dade and more specifically the Palmetto (826) the former site of all the disgruntled motorists who just decided to stop and get out of their cars on the highway to protest the Elian Gonzalez fiasco back in the '90's and literally in effect shut the city down?

And the Miami Vice/ Scarface phenomenon: film reel glorifying the drug trade and how all the cocaine pretty much came into the US via Miami/Port of Miami, etc.

Man, you really make a good case for South Florida to secede from the rest of the state. I agree with you, they should secede from this awful state. And make sure you take Liberty City, Carrol City, and Opa Locka with you...oh yeah, that's all Dade.

no hard feelings.

My oldest aunt lives in Liberty City where she and her deceased husband (heart attack) raised two college-educated daughters, one with a Master's Degree. I have spent many a very Happy Thanksgiving and a Merry Christmas dinner in Liberty City with my aunt and my cousins, though I was born and raised in Jacksonville. It was to avoid a post like this one above that I would rather Brickell had not revived the thread, though he thought his post was funny.

[jzquince69]

Well, then he shouldn't have revived that thread, because there's only one way to take it regarding seceding from the rest of this "awful" state. And I say "awful" based on what exactly, stuff that's already in SoFla's own backyard?

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by jzquince69

Well, then he shouldn't have revived that thread, because there's only one way to take it regarding seceding from the rest of this "awful" state. And I say "awful" based on what exactly, stuff that's already in SoFla's own backyard?

I think he got the point.

[brickell]

What fun is living in this state without a little rivalry? I lived in Orlando before moving to Miami and it comes from both sides. Used to be a pretty good dust up in the papers when the Heat and Magic played. It's hasn't been much of a rivalry lately though...

For the record
1) I do think South Florida should probably be its own state.
2) I don't think it'll ever actually happen.
3) I've lived in and traveled to many different parts of the state and I've loved them all.

[Dale]

Seriously, not a flame, I'm all for as much secession as possible. Let's do Texas, split Florida, etc. Lots of good could come out of it and, as far as I can see, nothing bad. I don't know where anti-secession zealots get this idea that secession precludes continuing commerce (unless, of course, they plan to send in the guns. It's not like they haven't done that before).

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by brickell

What fun is living in this state without a little rivalry?

It all depends on what it is and how it's presented. The problem with communicating strictly by text and not voice is people don't get the tone of what you're saying and if they don't really know you, they can't really tell if you're joking or not or how you really mean something since they can't get the real attitude in what you're saying strictly by you typing it.

Would be interesting though if South Florida were a citystate like Singapore. I'm not saying that is what I desire. The state would look pretty crappy on a map, but it's an interesting thought nonetheless for whatever reason it might want to secede.

Also, I'm sure Jzquince69 doesn't think all people from Liberty City, Opa-locka, or Carol City are bad. There are just some pretty bad areas and people in those neighborhoods.

[jzquince69]

No, I don't think all people from those areas are "bad" any more than I think that everyone else in the state is considered "awful".

My only point is this: the Chicago example I brought up earlier. If you live in Chicago, which a great city, and then compare it to the rest of the state which is rural with no industry to speak of or advanced society anywhere approaching it, then, yeah, I can see the "awful" comparison and the want for secession.

But that is not the case in Florida by any stretch of the imagination, especially when most of Florida's population is outside of that region, not to mention that the I-4 corridor alone is more populated. I mean, what does Miami have more than the rest of the state, more tall condos on the water, Metrorail, and the Ocean Ave image? Sure, but it isn't the case in industry, tourism, retail, education, medicine, convention, golf, etc., and whatever else categories there are to name.

So, to me, the comparative term "awful" simply denotes an ignorant assessment of the State of Florida north of PBCo, based mainly on the excitement of last speculative residential building boom. Walk about a block west of Ten Museum Park and tell me how that works out for you.

A buddy of mine lived in Miami for ten years and had this assessment when asked what he thought of Miami: "Miami is nothing more than a bunch of pockets of nice stuff in the middle of a bunch of sh*t." And this is coming from a guy raised in Detroit. Lol. The irony is funny, because he's judging Miami based on the Detroit standard, and he still thinks it's "sh*t." Man, I can see that if you're comparing Dade to Chicago, but to Detroit? Wow. That's some reality check.

[Dale]

And truthfully, I could care less if South Floridians considered the rest of us 'awful', so long as it actually spurs them to separate. Again, I think secessionism, and lots of it, is something I'd prefer to see.

But not because I consider South Floridians awful. Well, actually, I do, but that's beside the point.

The reason I promote secessionism is because cultural ties are obviously stronger than state ties, which are rather strained and superficial. Cultural regions should be free to govern themselves.

Ex: Central Floridians (are you listening, Disney ?) should NOT be free to dictate to South Floridians how to regard casino gambling. It's both presumptuous and meddlesome.

[jzquince69]

Great points. Look, don't get me wrong... I like Miami. I take the good with the bad. But I also have friends that are from Broward that make it clear they're from there and not Dade. So, what does that tell you about South Fla?

Look, for the record, I don't even think Orlando, Tampa, St Pete, or Jax are paradise either. But if people are going to be making these assertions about the rest of the state being "awful", then the comparison better be to a city the caliber of Chicago or NYC or what have you, because then you can see the stark contrast where one extreme could be argued to be obviously good while the other would be obviously "awful." And I don't think Florida sans SoFla is awful compared to those northern cities I mentioned, but there are things that they have that Miami doesn't even have.

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by brickell

I thought it was funny. You'd rather I create a new thread?

Obviously, not everybody thought it was funny, Brickell, and that's where you have to be careful.

Originally Posted by brickell

What fun is living in this state without a little rivalry?

Obviously, your idea of fun is not everybody's idea of fun. I wouldn't want South Florida to secede from the rest of Florida because I thnk the makeup of all of Florida speaks to the state's diversity and the complexity of its people. Floridians are not simple people no matter what part of the state.

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by jzquince69

Look, don't get me wrong... I like Miami. I take the good with the bad. But I also have friends that are from Broward that make it clear they're from there and not Dade. So, what does that tell you about South Fla?

Likewise, I really don't like going to Fort Lauderdale or anywhere in Broward for that matter, so this doesn't tell me much.

[Dale]

Ironically, as recently as 2004, it was North Florida wanting to separate from South Florida, over the issue of referenda. The joke then was that South Floridians never saw a referendum they didn't want to approve.

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by Dale

Ironically, as recently as 2004, it was North Florida wanting to separate from South Florida, over the issue of referenda. The joke then was that South Floridians never saw a referendum they didn't want to approve.

Where would the boundary have been? BTW, I'm not only from Jacksonville. I have relatives in Sanford and a best friend in Maitland.