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Old April 4th, 2011, 02:45 PM   #61
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About bloody "J's" in slovene language:
http://www.promin.si/zgodovina/slovencev/lublana.htm
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Old April 4th, 2011, 06:28 PM   #62
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Very interesting reading.
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Old April 4th, 2011, 10:09 PM   #63
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glede NJ in LJ jim se verjamem, venetska teorija pa se mi zdi bolj pravljica. do danes ni bila se dokazana, bi bilo pa fanj ce bi te zadeve ideolosko neobremenjena stroka raziskala in razcistila, da bi vsaj svoj izvor zanesljivo poznali, ne pa da imamo vec teorij o njem.
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Old April 5th, 2011, 01:52 AM   #64
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Malo sem razmišl(j)al o teh LJ-jih in NJ-jih, in mislim, da so za slovenščino dejansko tečni. Ravno sem prebral tole v avtocestnem threadu:
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Trebanjsko bo znalo biti naslednje, že zaradi precejšne luknje med črpalkami na A2.
"Trebanjsko/Trebansko" se izgovori enako, "naslednje, precejšnje, luknje" pa vedno izgovorim brez J-jev, vsaj pogovorno. PS: keber je pozabil en J.
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Old April 5th, 2011, 02:23 AM   #65
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ja, pozabil ga je prav zaradi tega ker ga ne izgovori.
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Old April 5th, 2011, 09:06 AM   #66
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Ti hudič, še dobro da sta moj ime in priimek ostala slovenska. Alješ

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Old April 5th, 2011, 11:08 AM   #67
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Alješ prjidi grjeva na burjek..
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Old April 5th, 2011, 08:49 PM   #68
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To je zdej že albansko.

Zakaj se pa ne reče "slovenjske ulice"?
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Old April 5th, 2011, 11:12 PM   #69
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zakaj se pa ne reče baljkanjsko?
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Old April 5th, 2011, 11:37 PM   #70
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Ja res tečni so teli urivaški nj-ji in lj-ji.

Angleži te trde l-je dvakrat zapišejo (thrill, drill, ocasionally)

Rusi uporabl(j)ajo mehki znak, ki zna biti tudi zoparen za pisan(j)e.

Pa še kaj bi se našlo, a mi Slovenci moramo lih ta trapast J potlačit v te besede, res bedarija.
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Old April 6th, 2011, 10:46 AM   #71
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bravo. porabl ste že celo stran neke x teme zato da lahko zmečete iz sebe vse svoje frustracije do lj in nj. mene osebno ne motjo, in se mi tudi ljubljana dosti lepše sliši kot pa lublana.
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Old April 6th, 2011, 11:51 AM   #72
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samo iz radovednosti, kaj preseren je pisal z ali brez j-jev?
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Old April 6th, 2011, 02:03 PM   #73
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Mislim, da brez.
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Old April 6th, 2011, 03:38 PM   #74
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Brez. Pa tudi himna je v originalu Zdravica in ne Zdravljica.
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Old April 6th, 2011, 04:19 PM   #75
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Le čevle sodi naj Kopitar Čeprav kolkor naokoli brskam, je povsod čevlje. Samo original rokopisa pa ne najdem dab vidu
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Old April 6th, 2011, 06:18 PM   #76
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Slovenski jezik se je razvijal, kakor se je (in se še razvija, kot vsi jeziki sveta). V neki fazi smo bili siti Avstrije in nam je bila panslovanska oziroma jugoslovanska povezava blizu (kot se je izkazalo, prehodna faza do samostojnosti) in smo, med drugim, prevzeli tudi nekaj tega besedišča. Je pa res hecno, da lokalci tistega lj in nj ne izgovarjamo, pa še tujci imajo s tem problem. Se spomnim še iz JLA, ko so se nam Slovencem ostali bratski narodi smejali, da ne znamo pravilno izgovoriti tisti lj ali nj (še posebej, če je na koncu besede). Meni bi bilo čisto fino, če bi bila Ljubljana spet Lublana, ampak bi to potegnilo veliko problemov in stroškov.
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Old April 6th, 2011, 06:52 PM   #77
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Sej dejstvo je, da razvoj jezika ne narekujejo na Filozofski fakulteti v Ljubljani ali pa v SAZUju, ampak ga narekuje prebivalstvo. Tako da če še do zdaj nismo osvojili lj in nj v naših pogovornih jezikih, se jim v prihodnosti slabo piše.
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Old April 8th, 2011, 04:36 PM   #78
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Kar avtor tistega članka ne razume je dejstvo, da je jezik živa in razvijajoča se gmota raznoraznih vplivov. Tako severnih, vzhodnih, zahodnih, južnih.... Nehal sem brati članek, ko je oklical nekatere jezikoslovce za "kvizlinge". To je tako kot da bi angleži jokcali zakaj imajo 50% besed iz francoščine in oklicali ljudi, ki so prvi začeli uporabljati francoske besede, za izdajalce.
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Old April 8th, 2011, 06:46 PM   #79
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Ja, jeziki se razvijajo, ampak LJ in NJ sta v slovenščino bila vsiljena in vanjo po vsem tem času še danes ne pašeta. Kdaj si 'luknja' nazadnje izgovoril z J? Med pogovorom s svojim šefom?
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Old April 9th, 2011, 02:07 AM   #80
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Res je, lj in nj se vrivata kar dosti... vendar ne poznam "lublančana" ki bi ljubljana izgovoril lublana... mogoče pa imam samo tako srečo?
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