TAMPA | Crosland Tower | 27 stories | 418 Units | 340ft | APR - Page 5

JBrisco · June 23rd, 2009, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TampaMike

Common Sense...

That doesn't help me understand how they were able to
1) Convince the public to believe in redeveloping downtown
2) Get retail downtown
3) Get support for mass transit
4) Keeping the Urban design

Maybe they just had a consistent city council. I don't understand why our councilmen and women always pick and chose their battles.

FloridaFuture · June 23rd, 2009, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JBrisco

What did they do in order to get where they are?

Well, having the headquarters to both Bank of America and Wachovia helped Charlotte too.

FloridaFuture · June 23rd, 2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Casey

Did anyone see this Council meeting? I wonder if the developer had any renderings prepared yet. Would love to see what they have in mind....

I sent another request for renderings or elevations...

smiley · June 24th, 2009, 03:20 AM

Well, lucky they got all that in before Wachovia/First Union fell apart and BoA was forced to buy Merrill Lynch. I think they will have a slightly harder time. On the other hand, Charlotte is the biggest metro in NC so it also has the advantage of getting more respect form the state for money. NO mouse or MIami to fight with

FloridaFuture · June 24th, 2009, 09:08 PM

I got a response back from Phillip Smith. He said a rendering was shown at the council meeting but he "doesn't have it in a distributable format."

Anyone know if the council meeting will be replayed on TV, and if so if they can somehow take a picture of it when is on the screen?

Jasonhouse · June 25th, 2009, 01:07 AM

Gah... I'll see if I can track it down through my limited connections with the city.

btw, I've seen the renderings before... It's a handsome building, fashioned as a modern interpretation of 'Chicago' Deco, as opposed to 'Miami' Deco. I forget the height I saw... 3-something... I do wish that they were doing something different with the siting of the parcel and the building's form, but that is neither here nor there. What Crosland is trying to do will be good for the neighborhood.

Jasonhouse · June 25th, 2009, 01:12 AM

Actually I answeed my own question regarding height... They have to read the specs in the hearing... So we know exactly how tall the building is planned to be.

The apartment tower is now given as 27 floors, 340feet tall, 418 apartments... An 8 story garage in a 2nd structure includes 541 parking spaces, with a height of 120ft. There is 13.5k sqft of total retail on the ground floor of the two buildings...

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Originally Posted by Tampa City Council meeting

18:44:16 >>LaCHONE DOCK: Land Development Coordination.
18:44:17 And I have been sworn.
18:44:20 Rezoning petition tonight, this is petition Z 08-45
18:44:24 for the property locate at 1016, 1100 and 1104 North
18:44:29 Franklin Street, 1005 and 1105 North Tampa Street, and

18:44:34 214 Tyler street.
18:44:35 The request is to rezone the property from CBD1 to
18:44:39 CBD2 to develop a mixed use project.
18:44:42 The site contains 1.27 acres.
18:44:44 The site is currently vacant along the north and west
18:44:47 and contains a commercial use from the south.
18:44:49 The proposed development includes 418 residential
18:44:52 units, 13,500 square feet of retail, office and
18:44:56 commercial space, the development is proposed 27 story
18:45:01 structure consisting of ground floor commercial,
18:45:03 retail and office uses.
18:45:05 26 stories of residential also included.
18:45:08 The total maximum building height of 340 Pete feet has
18:45:11 been proposed by the petitioner and approved by the
18:45:15 federal Aviation Authority.
18:45:16 An 8-story parking structure is proposed, incorporated
18:45:18 in the building along the north with a maximum
18:45:21 building height of 120 feet.
18:45:23 A total of 445 parking spaces are required, 521 spaces
18:45:28 are being provided.

FloridaFuture · June 25th, 2009, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jasonhouse

btw, I've seen the renderings before... It's a handsome building, fashioned as a modern interpretation of 'Chicago' Deco, as opposed to 'Miami' Deco. I forget the height I saw... 3-something... I do wish that they were doing something different with the siting of the parcel and the building's form, but that is neither here nor there. What Crosland is trying to do will be good for the neighborhood.

Sounds neat. As you know by now, I've been anticpating a rendering for a while.

JBrisco · June 25th, 2009, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jasonhouse

Gah... I'll see if I can track it down through my limited connections with the city.

btw, I've seen the renderings before... It's a handsome building, fashioned as a modern interpretation of 'Chicago' Deco, as opposed to 'Miami' Deco. I forget the height I saw... 3-something... I do wish that they were doing something different with the siting of the parcel and the building's form, but that is neither here nor there. What Crosland is trying to do will be good for the neighborhood.

I talked to the InTown guy who did ELement awhile back and he told me it was NYC Deco
He had actually told me it was a mix of the Chryslter Building and the Empire State Building.

Jasonhouse · June 25th, 2009, 07:24 AM

Hmm... The city council meeting just replayed on TV and I saw the renderings there... The facade for the Crosland tower has a vertical prominence to it, more like the Tribune Tower in Chicago in vague terms (not the shape, just the facade). It definitely didn't look like the Chrysler building. The building is a rectangle in plan, oriented along Tampa St, with the garage straddling the park to the north. The building had an atrium feature which passed through the building from Tampa St to the park, and there is an inset in the facade all the way up as a visual feature. It also had a single large setback on the north and south facades near the top, so that the building isn't just a dressed up box. I definitely think it's attractive and will probably age well in stylistic terms... I just wish that the garage had been integrated into the tower, so that a 1/4 of an acre or so could have been added to the existing park... of course, that would have cost money so...

Also, at one point Greg Minder makes mention that the Deco look they're going for is more of a 'Burnham style, not a Miami Beach style'... As folks should know, Burnham was a Chicago architect who played a role in identifying the modernistic deco style prevalent there.

JBrisco · June 25th, 2009, 07:36 AM

Guess they changed the design, this was quite awhiles back that I talked to him.

Jasonhouse · June 25th, 2009, 02:41 PM

I'm sure they did... They also said in the meeting somewhere that the design could change some more, and that they would redo the garage facade to better relate to the tower in stylistic terms.

randommichael · June 25th, 2009, 02:54 PM

Did they give any timeline on when construction may begin?

Jasonhouse · June 25th, 2009, 04:13 PM

Next year at the earliest... At this point, this is just site assembly and value-adding. Now they've got a turnkey project ready to sell to investors or another developer, just in case they decide not to pull the trigger themselves.

JBrisco · June 26th, 2009, 04:31 AM

This is a really nice project, and in my mind pretty important to the future of Downtown Tampa.

Jasonhouse · June 26th, 2009, 07:09 PM

It's that prominent location that has me wishing they had done a nicely detailed and lighted top.

JBrisco · June 26th, 2009, 10:32 PM

Yeah I also wish it was being built on a vacant lot. But atleast what's there is crappy anyway.

Jasonhouse · June 30th, 2009, 03:39 PM

Grr. No dice on getting a rendering.

TampaMike · July 16th, 2009, 05:18 AM

If I had remembered that the final hearing was tomorrow I would had went.

FloridaFuture · July 16th, 2009, 05:37 AM

^Oh yeah. Seeing this thread bumped up reminded me of that. It'd be nice to get a rendering. Even if someone has to take a picture off their TV or computer (I think meetings stream live)

Items 22, 43, 44 and 45 are the project:

http://docserver.tampagov.net/cache/...62009Final.pdf

Live Stream:

http://www.tampagov.net/dept_cable_c...RedirectID=227

June 24th, 2009, 03:20 AM	#84
smiley Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,095 Likes (Received): 0	Well, lucky they got all that in before Wachovia/First Union fell apart and BoA was forced to buy Merrill Lynch. I think they will have a slightly harder time. On the other hand, Charlotte is the biggest metro in NC so it also has the advantage of getting more respect form the state for money. NO mouse or MIami to fight with __________________ Do I contradict myself? Well then, I contradict myself. I am large. I contain multitudes. I don't pretend 'cause I don't care.

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June 24th, 2009, 09:08 PM	#85
FloridaFuture Former Mod Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tampa/Gainesville Posts: 5,234 Likes (Received): 0	I got a response back from Phillip Smith. He said a rendering was shown at the council meeting but he "doesn't have it in a distributable format." Anyone know if the council meeting will be replayed on TV, and if so if they can somehow take a picture of it when is on the screen?

June 25th, 2009, 01:07 AM	#86
Jasonhouse Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,269 Likes (Received): 7	Gah... I'll see if I can track it down through my limited connections with the city. btw, I've seen the renderings before... It's a handsome building, fashioned as a modern interpretation of 'Chicago' Deco, as opposed to 'Miami' Deco. I forget the height I saw... 3-something... I do wish that they were doing something different with the siting of the parcel and the building's form, but that is neither here nor there. What Crosland is trying to do will be good for the neighborhood.

June 25th, 2009, 07:24 AM	#90
Jasonhouse Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,269 Likes (Received): 7	Hmm... The city council meeting just replayed on TV and I saw the renderings there... The facade for the Crosland tower has a vertical prominence to it, more like the Tribune Tower in Chicago in vague terms (not the shape, just the facade). It definitely didn't look like the Chrysler building. The building is a rectangle in plan, oriented along Tampa St, with the garage straddling the park to the north. The building had an atrium feature which passed through the building from Tampa St to the park, and there is an inset in the facade all the way up as a visual feature. It also had a single large setback on the north and south facades near the top, so that the building isn't just a dressed up box. I definitely think it's attractive and will probably age well in stylistic terms... I just wish that the garage had been integrated into the tower, so that a 1/4 of an acre or so could have been added to the existing park... of course, that would have cost money so... Also, at one point Greg Minder makes mention that the Deco look they're going for is more of a 'Burnham style, not a Miami Beach style'... As folks should know, Burnham was a Chicago architect who played a role in identifying the modernistic deco style prevalent there.

June 25th, 2009, 07:36 AM	#91
JBrisco USF Architecture Student Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tampa, FLA Posts: 1,525 Likes (Received): 0	Guess they changed the design, this was quite awhiles back that I talked to him.

June 25th, 2009, 02:41 PM	#92
Jasonhouse Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,269 Likes (Received): 7	I'm sure they did... They also said in the meeting somewhere that the design could change some more, and that they would redo the garage facade to better relate to the tower in stylistic terms.

June 25th, 2009, 02:54 PM	#93
randommichael Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,414 Likes (Received): 0	Did they give any timeline on when construction may begin?

June 25th, 2009, 04:13 PM	#94
Jasonhouse Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,269 Likes (Received): 7	Next year at the earliest... At this point, this is just site assembly and value-adding. Now they've got a turnkey project ready to sell to investors or another developer, just in case they decide not to pull the trigger themselves.

June 26th, 2009, 04:31 AM	#95
JBrisco USF Architecture Student Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tampa, FLA Posts: 1,525 Likes (Received): 0	This is a really nice project, and in my mind pretty important to the future of Downtown Tampa.

June 26th, 2009, 07:09 PM	#96
Jasonhouse Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,269 Likes (Received): 7	It's that prominent location that has me wishing they had done a nicely detailed and lighted top.

June 26th, 2009, 10:32 PM	#97
JBrisco USF Architecture Student Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tampa, FLA Posts: 1,525 Likes (Received): 0	Yeah I also wish it was being built on a vacant lot. But atleast what's there is crappy anyway.

June 30th, 2009, 03:39 PM	#98
Jasonhouse Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,269 Likes (Received): 7	Grr. No dice on getting a rendering.

July 16th, 2009, 05:37 AM	#100
FloridaFuture Former Mod Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tampa/Gainesville Posts: 5,234 Likes (Received): 0	^Oh yeah. Seeing this thread bumped up reminded me of that. It'd be nice to get a rendering. Even if someone has to take a picture off their TV or computer (I think meetings stream live) Items 22, 43, 44 and 45 are the project: http://docserver.tampagov.net/cache/...62009Final.pdf Live Stream: http://www.tampagov.net/dept_cable_c...RedirectID=227