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Old January 21st, 2008, 03:07 PM   #61
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I can't find the final figures for Manchester airport but it will be around 23m putting it at around 13/14th place in Europe.
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Old January 21st, 2008, 06:46 PM   #62
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Dublin and Istanbul have passenger numbers between 20 and 25 million as well. Anybody got their 2007 figures?
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Old January 22nd, 2008, 02:16 PM   #63
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ATHENS, GR ATH 16.6 mil
Are you sure this isn't for 2006, i don't think that they released the 2007 numbers yet, did they?
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Old January 23rd, 2008, 05:04 AM   #64
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Some new passenger numbers:

MUC: 33.800.560 (Dec06-Nov07)
DME: 18.755.098
DUS: 17.820.000
TXL: 13.357.741
HAM: 12.780.509
CGN: 10.470.000
STR: 10.326.027
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Old January 23rd, 2008, 05:39 AM   #65
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Which one is PMI??????
PALMA DE MALLORCA???
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Old January 23rd, 2008, 08:18 AM   #66
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Yes PMI=Palma

GVA 10.845.545 +9.5%
NCE 10.385.000 +4,4%
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Old January 23rd, 2008, 08:26 AM   #67
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Yes PMI=Palma

GVA 10.845.545 +9.5%
NCE 10.385.000 +4,4%
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Old January 23rd, 2008, 04:26 PM   #68
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Dear Pilotos...the info it's not mine I took it from the thread:
100 Busiest Airport 2007
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Old January 23rd, 2008, 07:48 PM   #69
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Can you add them correctly to the list, please?

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Old January 23rd, 2008, 10:34 PM   #70
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Copenhagen 2007 - 21.409.526
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Old January 24th, 2008, 03:39 PM   #71
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Dublin and Istanbul have passenger numbers between 20 and 25 million as well. Anybody got their 2007 figures?
Dublin, 23.2m

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Old January 24th, 2008, 03:44 PM   #72
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Helsinki numbers

HEL 13,090,744 +7.8 %

Domestic: 2,875,289 -1.8 %
International: 10,215,455 +10,8 %
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Old January 24th, 2008, 04:38 PM   #73
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Old January 24th, 2008, 11:12 PM   #74
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Russia
DME 18.755.098 +22%
SVO 14.040.000 +10%
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Old January 26th, 2008, 06:43 PM   #75
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Top 10 in Italy

Rome FCO: 32.945.223 +9,2
Milan MXP: 23.885.391 +9,7
Milan LIN: 9.926.530 +2,4
Venice VCE: 7.076.114 +11,6
Catania CTA: 6.083.735 +12,7
Naples NAP: 5.775.838 +13,3
Milan BGY: 5.741.734 +9,5
Rome CIA: 5.401.475 +9,2
Palermo PMO: 4.511.165 +5,4
Bologna BLQ: 4.361.951 +9,0
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Old January 30th, 2008, 11:42 PM   #76
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2007 figures for the world's largest airport city - just shy of 140 million pax pa. Note that Heathrow now accounts for less than half of London's traffic though it may regain some market share this year when the massive new Heathrow Terminal 5 opens:

London Heathrow = 67,852,825
London Gatwick = 35,165,703
London Stansted = 23,759,554
London Luton = 9,919,828
London City = 2,912,190

London Total = 139,610,100
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Old January 30th, 2008, 11:54 PM   #77
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So Monkey (aka Langur, aka Mercutio, aka probably many other pseudonyms), how do you feel about Paris CDG overtaking London Heathrow within 2 to 3 years?
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Old January 31st, 2008, 12:04 AM   #78
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So Monkey (aka Langur, aka Mercutio, aka probably many other pseudonyms), how do you feel about Paris CDG overtaking London Heathrow within 2 to 3 years?
jesus christ, how did his post upset you? honestly, you are not better than him at all, you're just as ridiculous with your infranceeverythingsbigger-posts.
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Old January 31st, 2008, 01:14 AM   #79
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The guy creates several pseudonyms to evade bans, insults regularly other forumers, makes an apology of prostitution, and other niceties that we've witnessed with him over the years, so no wonder a lot of people are upset.
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Old January 31st, 2008, 02:22 AM   #80
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^ Chill out Brisavoine. In fact I thought you were banned once before? According to Matthieu, the only admin to comment on the matter, I was never technically banned here (though my Monkey account remains mysteriously non-functioning). Mercutio is my name at SSP. I have never used it here. Another forumer uses that name here at SSC.

Now the subject.... CDG will not overtake Heathrow in 2-3 years. You are assuming that Heathrow will remain stuck at its current level but it won't. Heathrow's capacity is constrained as much by terminal and parking constraints as by full runways. There are in fact free runway slots at Heathrow contrary to popular myth. Heathrow Terminal 5 will help hugely with the chronic terminal and gate constraints and I think Heathrow's growth will be quite rapid for the next couple of years. There are still free runway slots to be utilised (albeit at unpopular times) and larger planes (eg A380s) will also allow for additional traffic. After a couple of years however the problem of full runways will undoubtedly constrain any further growth at Heathrow if the runway situation remains unchanged. But it won't remain unchanged. I think Gordon Brown will use the "good news" period surrounding the opening of Heathrow Terminal 5 in late March to announce mixed-mode use of Heathrow's existing runways (which will create a substantial increase in runway capacity) and perhaps also announce concrete plans for the widely anticipated 3rd runway and 6th terminal. It is well known that he favours this and indeed the environmental report has already concluded that expansion to a 3rd runway would not breach EU environmental standards. That doesn't mean that CDG will not eventually overtake Heathrow. Indeed I think it will overtake Heathrow - and probably before the Heathrow's 3rd runway is completed in ~2020. However it will take considerably longer than 2-3 years because London's new terminal capacity, mixed-mode runway use, and larger planes will allow it room to grow before the 3rd runway comes online. I think 2012-14 is more realistic for CDG to overtake Heathrow.

However there is no way in hell that Paris can overtake London as an airport city. Paris is frankly miles behind and France/Paris's airline sector is far less competitive. It's based around one massive airline (Air France) that is absurdly over-protected. Britain has allowed far more competition in its aviation sector and the airline services at London are much more diverse and dynamic. There are three major full service longhaul airlines at London (BA, Virgin, and BMI) compared to Paris with just Air France. London is the largest base for two of the world's largest and fastest growing airlines (Ryanair and EasyJet). There is no equivalent low cost base in Paris thanks to the French government's overly-zealous protection of Air France's virtual monopoly. London has fast-growing longhaul low cost services with more on the way (Oasis, Zoom, Transat, AirAsia X etc) and no less than three recently started business-only TransAtlantic airlines (compared to just one at Paris). Fast-growing Middle Eastern carriers such as Emirates, Etihad, Qatar, Gulf Air etc have a much greater presence at London. Last time I checked Emirates alone was flying something like eight flights a day to London but just two to Paris (comparable to its Manchester service). And what when these Gulf carriers start operating their huge fleets of A380s on the route? Last time I checked most of the world's (!!) top ten fastest-growing longhaul routes were from London. Paris's airline sector is frankly not in the same league.

There is also much less demand to fly to/from Paris than from London. It's a less international city and has less important business links. French nationals fly much less frequently than Britons. Paris attracts a lot less business traffic and perhaps less tourist traffic too these days. Paris's foreign/immigrant residents are fewer and, more importantly, much poorer, and can therefore afford to fly much less frequently than London's. France/Paris's historical ties are to slow-growing regions of the world with relatively small populations. Britain's are to some of the fastest growing, most populous, and most economically dynamic regions in the world. Then there's the fact that the metro/regional population in and around London is about 50% larger than Paris's. There are no real market dynamics favouring a Paris catch-up. Paris is far behind (more than 50 million pax pa behind?) and will remain far behind even if a more enlightened French government were to open France's airline sector to more competition.

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