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Old August 21st, 2008, 10:14 PM   #141
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I remember the Helios crash being the freakiest one. No contact at 34,000 feet then a crash.
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Old August 22nd, 2008, 03:52 AM   #142
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One Indonesian among Spanair plane crash fatalities

Jakarta (ANTARA News) - An Indonesian citizen from Sulawesi is among the victims of the Spanair plane crash which happened in Madrid, Spain, on Wednesday, a Foreign Affairs Ministry spokesman said.

"One Indonesian was among the fatalities in the Madrid plane crash. His name is Nguni Tuka Rondonuwu," the ministry`s spokesman, Teuku Faizasyah, said here Thursday.

Rondonuwu was a member of the crew of a ship owned by a Spanish company, he said.

"We are now waiting for the outcome of a body identification process in which bodies are checked against the names on flight tickets," he said.

About 145 people reportedly died in the tragedy that befell the Panair MD82 passenger plane when it was about to take off from Madrid`s airport to fly to Las Palmas in the Canary Islands.

The 15-year-old plane which was carrying 166 passengers and a crew of nine rolled off the runway and caught fire at about 14.45 local time (19.45 West Indonesia Time) on Wednesday, according to a Spanair statement which also quoted witnesses as saying there was an explosion.

According to Reuters, only 28 of the people who had been on board the ill-fated plane survived.
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Old August 22nd, 2008, 01:06 PM   #143
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The plane was 15 years old? is'nt it???
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Old August 22nd, 2008, 01:16 PM   #144
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I dont want to tempt fate but has the UK had any major air crashes at all apart from Lockerbie which was'nt the fault of any airline?
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Old August 22nd, 2008, 03:41 PM   #145
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The Kegworth disaster.
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Old August 23rd, 2008, 01:41 AM   #146
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And then there's Tenerife
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Old August 24th, 2008, 01:09 PM   #147
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Old August 24th, 2008, 09:00 PM   #148
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the crash of an el-al 747 freighter plane in 1992, Bijlmermeer, Amsterdam (SE). More than 40 people on the ground died and hundreds of people are still having mental/health issues because of the crash. It's still not for sure what this plane was transporting. Maybe nuclear stuff?
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Old August 24th, 2008, 09:34 PM   #149
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I think this is realy fresh news, but I just heared an airplane of an airline wich is banned in many countries crashed in the capital of Kyrgyzstan?????
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Old August 24th, 2008, 09:37 PM   #150
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Only 25 people have survived a plane crash in Kyrgyzstan's capital, which had 123 people on board.


Russian news agencies have said the plane crashed on take-off at the Manas airport in Bishkek, but gave no further details.

According to initial reports the Boeing-737 belonged to a private Kyrgyz company Itek-Air and was bound for Iran.

A spokeswoman from the US airbase located at the Bishkek airport said: "At the moment rescue teams, fire brigades and medics are rushing to the crash site."

She said: "It took off and reported a technical problem and tried to return to the airport."

A Health Ministry spokeswoman said nine injured passengers had been rushed to hospital.
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Old August 24th, 2008, 09:40 PM   #151
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And BTW. Tenerife is the worst airplane accident after 911
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Old August 25th, 2008, 07:16 AM   #152
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This is great to know since I have 4 different flights next week. Air Jamaica, and 3 American Airlines flights.

It seems like once there is a crash, several more follow like the the one in Kyrgyzstan today as well as one on Guatemala.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapc...ash/index.html

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Old August 30th, 2008, 06:24 PM   #153
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I remember the Helios crash being the freakiest one. No contact at 34,000 feet then a crash.
The worst thing about that crash was that it was all a BIG misunderstanding...


"Before take-off the crew failed to set the pressurisation system to "Auto," which is contrary to standard Boeing procedures. Minutes after take-off the cabin altitude horn activated as a result of pressurization. It was, however, misidentified by the crew as a take-off configuration warning, which signals the plane is not ready for take-off, and can only sound on the ground. The horn can be silenced by the crew with a switch on the overhead panel.

Above 14,000 ft (4,300 m) cabin altitude, the oxygen masks in the cabin automatically deployed. An Oxy ON warning light on the overhead panel in the cabin illuminates when this happens. At this point, the crew contacted the ground engineers. Minutes later a master caution warning light activated, indicating an abnormal situation in a system. This was misinterpreted by the crew that systems were overheating.

At some point later the captain radioed the engineer on the ground to say that the ventilation fan lights were off. This is evidence that the captain was suffering from hypoxia, as the 737-300 has no such lights.
The engineer asked the captain to repeat. The captain then said that the equipment cooling lights were off, which again was evidence of confusion. The engineer said, "this is normal, please confirm the problem." The engineer then asked, "Can you confirm that the pressurization system is set to AUTO?" The captain, however, disregarded the question and instead asked in reply, "Where are my equipment cooling circuit breakers?" The engineer then asked whether the crew could see the circuit breakers, but received no response."


After the Greek fighter-jets arrived to establish visual contact with the aircraft (it had been stuck in autopilot circling Athens for hours) it turns out to sound like a hollywood movie...

"Later, the F-16 pilots saw the flight attendant Andreas Prodromou enter the cockpit and sit at the controls, seemingly trying to regain control of the aircraft. He eventually noticed the F-16, and signaled him. The pilot pointed forward as if to ask, "Can you carry on flying?" Prodromou responded by shaking his head and pointing downward. The cockpit voice recorder recorded him calling "mayday" multiple times. Within minutes, due to lack of fuel, the engines failed in quick succession and the aircraft began to descend. Prodromou grabbed the yoke and attempted to steer, but the plane continued hit the ground and exploded. At the time of impact, the passengers and crew were likely unconscious but breathing. None survived."

Sad indeed.
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Old September 13th, 2008, 08:26 PM   #154
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Lufthansa in talks to buy ailing SAS
Published: 2008/09/13

FRANKFURT: German airline Lufthansa is in talks to buy Scandinavia's loss-making SAS as it looks to snap up rivals battling crippling fuel costs and weak economies, sources familiar with the matter said.

"Exclusive negotiations are being held," one of the sources said, adding that SAS had approached Lufthansa about a possible deal in May.

But the sources stressed that a takeover of SAS was not a foregone conclusion.

"Whether this leads to a deal remains open," said another source with knowledge of Lufthansa's strategy. - Reuters
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Old September 19th, 2008, 12:07 PM   #155
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SAS - Where to from here? II

Anyone thinking of buying into SAS will need to think hard about what they are getting into.

Spanair was already causing the group a lot of concern before the Madrid accident. SAS is unlikely to find a buyer for Spanair in its current form, and so will have to find the funds and management resources to downsize or eliminate the unit. The most recent plan was to reduce the unit by around 25% across the board, however that may now be under review. There is also now a serious risk of legal action against the company. Anyone thinking of buying into SAS will have to weigh this up.

So far the talk of the Lufthansa discussions is only rumour with no attributable source for the story even though it has been picked up by the media. SAS may be a bit too 'broad' in its current operations for Lufthansa to consider taking it on and be able to maintain focus on its own operations at the sametime. It has just bought into Brussels Air which it will need to digest. Then there is the above unknowns around Spanair. Lufthansa has also already indicated that BMI is a key priority which will give it significant leverage into Heathrow. As well as risking the loss of focus of its management, the company was also warned that it risks undermining its credit rating if it continues on its expansionist path.

A buyout of SAS by Lufthansa may go ahead, it being one of those once in a lifetime opportunities, but it would not be without sizable risk to Lufthansa. However things may be so bad at SAS that the asking price could be a bargain that Lufthansa can not afford to miss.

There are other players that may also be interested in SAS such as Aeroflot and S7, but they have not shown a hand yet.
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Old September 19th, 2008, 12:23 PM   #156
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Looks like Luftansa wants to get involved in a lot of airline sell-offs these days ... perhaps a more realistic rival to the Air France-KLM contingent?
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Old September 19th, 2008, 12:30 PM   #157
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Next - Austrian Airlines III

British Airways has declared an interest in possibly buying into Austrian Airlines and has said that it is monitoring the situation.

The two airlines have a very similar outlook on customer service and so they would be a good cultural fit. It is also likely that the BA/Iberia group would be more inclined to maintain the significance of the Wien hub than say the Lufthansa/*.* group.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=a24iKSDJuqG4

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=ai6Zm6RwNm1w


There would however possibly be a few difficulties to overcome for BA/Iberia and Austrian, not least being the preference of Austrian Airlines management for a merger with the Lufthansa/*.* group. Austrian is also in a different airline alliance and so risks attrition of its customer base in any switch between Star Alliance and OneWorld if BA/Iberia was to invest. Austrian's operational base would also be a little close to that of Malev which joined Oneworld in 2007.
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Old September 19th, 2008, 12:36 PM   #158
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Looks like Luftansa wants to get involved in a lot of airline sell-offs these days ... perhaps a more realistic rival to the Air France-KLM contingent?
They are taking advantage of the current difficulties that many of the smaller EU airlines are in at present which is good business sense. However they need to be very careful not to bite off more than they can chew which often happens in this kind of MAA scenario.

With all of these actual and proposed takeovers, Lufthansa/*.* is going to have to create a new top level company focused on franchise operations rather than the nuts and bolts of everyday airline activities. It may already have it in place, but they are going to have to lift the ratchet a bit. Some of the buys make solid sense, but SAS is risky, and it is one I think they should walk away from.
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Old September 19th, 2008, 12:50 PM   #159
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Brussels Airways

So now Lufthansa/*.* has a controlling stake in Brussels Airways.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aisqbR1NdKmM


It may have been planning this for sometime, but the speed with which it moved is impressive, having possibly out manoeuvred BA which was also reported to be interested.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aLo291mRnJzQ


The big looser is Virgin Atlantic which was the largest stake holder until this development. Virgin however may be short of funds and seems to be in discussion with some Middle Eastern funds and/or airlines which may see them take a controlling stake in return for a large cash injection.
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Old September 22nd, 2008, 02:55 PM   #160
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DEALTALK-Russian move on Austrian a boon for Lufthansa

VIENNA, Sept 18 (Reuters) - Germany's Lufthansa appears to be the preferred and most natural buyer of Austrian Airlines -- but not the one that will pay most or is the likeliest to accommodate wider Austrian interests.

A possible solution to that dilemma for the Austrian government has emerged in the form of Russia's S7 -- if Austria is ready to take the political risk involved.

Austrian government holding agency OeIAG has whittled away unworthy bidders for its 42-percent controlling stake in loss-making Austrian over the past month to draw up a shortlist of three possible buyers this week: Lufthansa, S7 and Air France-KLM .

The trio is now delving into Austrian's books to come up with binding offers by Oct. 21.

Bankers and advisers involved in the deal say OeIAG and Austria's finance ministry have made clear in informal talks that they believe Lufthansa is the only serious contender. OeIAG denies it has a preference for the German carrier.

On top of its long-standing relationship with Austrian -- the two share codes and have a lucrative joint venture that operates flights between the two countries -- Lufthansa appears like a safe haven in a time of turmoil in the airline industry.

The prospect of a smooth handover to a culturally compatible buyer outweighs concerns Lufthansa may sideline Vienna Airport and re-route flights to its Frankfurt and Munich hubs, and may cut costs aggressively.

But those bankers and advisers also say that Austria's courtship is one-sided.

Lufthansa, which agreed to buy Brussels Airlines last week and which sources say is more keen on Alitalia or SAS than on Austrian, is trying hard not to appear overly excited by the prospect of an Austrian buy.

"Their message is, 'Don't take us for granted'," says one banker who is looking at the deal but does not have a mandate.

TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE

A key reason is that Lufthansa has the least to gain, another banker looking at the deal says.

"Lufthansa is already today realising maybe 80 percent of the possible benefits through its close cooperation (with Austrian) in the Star Alliance," says this banker who also does not have a mandate.

Lufthansa's main interest in the sale is to make sure Air France does not win the bid and moves Austrian into rival Air France-led alliance Skyteam, those bankers and airline analysts say.

Thus a sale of Austrian to S7, Russia's biggest domestic airline that is seeking to expand abroad and is not part of an airline alliance yet, would catch two birds with one stone from Lufthansa's point of view.

If the deal would be followed by S7 joining Lufthansa's Star Alliance and preserve the German-Austrian joint venture, Lufthansa could keep most of its benefits from its cooperation without exposing itself to a messy restructuring and a deterioration of its balance sheet with indebted Austrian.

Smelling its chance, S7 has stepped up its lobbying in Austria. Chief Executive Vladislav Filev has travelled to Vienna several times in the last few weeks to dispel doubts.

"They really want this deal," says one source close to Austrian's non-executive supervisory board.

But with Russia's relations to the West deteriorating after last month's war in Georgia, Filev's charm offensive cannot easily overcome the Austrian government unease about the risk of exposing its airline to a political crisis that may still have unpredictable consequences.

"It wouldn't be a bad solution at all," the first banker said. "But whether the political background allows it, is the big question."
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