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Old December 27th, 2009, 05:41 PM   #21
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Imo Dubai is an ugly tacky looking airport.
LOL! No its not. Its one of the most beautiful airports I've been too.

What makes it ugly, as opposed to LHR being beautiful?
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Old December 27th, 2009, 07:19 PM   #22
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LOL! No its not. Its one of the most beautiful airports I've been too.

What makes it ugly, as opposed to LHR being beautiful?
I am not saying DXB is ugly but it still has it's flaws. From outside it looks like a giant worm (there is a perfectly good reason for that look though). The new terminal for Emirates is so freaking cold+is all white and silver what makes the feeling even stronger. Not to mention airport staff who don't seem to show any kind of respect towards passengers (yet Emirates staff is fine). I was flying to Dubai in summer 2008 with Emirates when the new terminal wasn't finished yet and it was great. I flew again in september 2009 and it just got all worse.
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LOL! No its not. Its one of the most beautiful airports I've been too.

What makes it ugly, as opposed to LHR being beautiful?
Dubai is hideous. That airport has turned kitsch and tackiness into an art form.

It's an architectural abomination.
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Old December 28th, 2009, 01:18 PM   #24
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I thought that terminal 1 and 2 was going to make way for one super terminal is that still the case?
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Old December 29th, 2009, 01:48 PM   #25
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Imo Dubai is an ugly tacky looking airport.
no its not, Dubai airport is way better than heathrow which is rubbish, try parking in terminal 3 and see what a mess that place is. Dubai airport is so much more stress free
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Old December 30th, 2009, 09:46 PM   #26
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I thought that terminal 1 and 2 was going to make way for one super terminal is that still the case?
Correct, Terminal 2 is currently being demolished to make way for Phase 1. Once this is complete Terminal 1 Will be demolished and replaced by Phase 2.

Star Alliance and Virgin Atlantic will occupy this new terminal.

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no its not, Dubai airport is way better than heathrow which is rubbish, try parking in terminal 3 and see what a mess that place is. Dubai airport is so much more stress free
Granted but how old is Dubai airport compared to Heathrow? and how relaxed are the planning laws out there compared to the UK? I dont think we can compare brand new terminals to terminals getting new facades and refurbishments?
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no its not, Dubai airport is way better than heathrow which is rubbish, try parking in terminal 3 and see what a mess that place is. Dubai airport is so much more stress free
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Dubai is hideous. That airport has turned kitsch and tackiness into an art form.

It's an architectural abomination.
No its not. Kitsche and tacky?? In what way is it tacky? It is a million times better than Heathrow and European airports!
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How is it not tacky with its gold palm trees and casino-esque architecture?

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Old January 4th, 2010, 01:39 PM   #29
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How is it not tacky with its gold palm trees and casino-esque architecture?

lolwut.
I wasnt aware Dubai Airport looks like a Casino.

Anyways, it was voted Best Airport in the World several times.

If Dubai is tacky, then I wonder what we can call LHR.
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ok so some people like Dubai some people dont... leave it at that...

So back to Heathrow Refresh...
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Old January 5th, 2010, 11:32 AM   #31
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I don't think your following what europeans, and particularly the British, mean by Tacky...

Tacky is not the same as bad; it is glitzy, showy, overly ornate, the over use of gold and bright colours, inaccurate recreation of historic styles... Some local examples:

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Dubai is an excellent airport, no doubt, and T1 and T3 are both superior to T1-4 in London without any debate from me (T5 fights a good fight, particularly if you consider the restrictions under which it was built) - as they well should be, being recent rather than dating from when Dubai was still a backwater...

LHR isn't tacky, it has been rubbish, poorly maintained, confusing, overcrowded and dirty for a long time but credit to BAA for the improvements of the last few years.

Terminal 4 opened in 1986 - this is Sheik road at the same time (go look at pictures of Dubai in the 1960s for an even more dramatic comparison with T1 & 3!)



There are probably few more different airport in terms of pace of growth, context and planning enviroment than LHR and DXB. Credit is due to both.
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Correct, Terminal 2 is currently being demolished to make way for Phase 1. Once this is complete Terminal 1 Will be demolished and replaced by Phase 2.

Star Alliance and Virgin Atlantic will occupy this new terminal.

Granted but how old is Dubai airport compared to Heathrow? and how relaxed are the planning laws out there compared to the UK? I dont think we can compare brand new terminals to terminals getting new facades and refurbishments?
what has the age of airport got to do, Dubai airport is much better period. Heathrow airport is badly designed and very busy, giving off too much emmisions, one can smell the jet fuel in the parking lot. Heathrow is chaotic and unorganised, the bloody food court have been refurbished, with it comes higher food prices and no more seeing the planes because the windows blocked off (from terminal 3). Trying to park there after drop off is a right nightmare due to traffic from badly designed roads. Heathrow airport will never achieve the ease of use and modernity of Dubai airport, get real. and the inauguration of the new terminal 5 was a shambles and very embarrassing, thousands of passengers suffered, sleeping on the floor and never ending flight cancelleation. The govt have been forced to make BAA which is owned by the spanish to sell off gatwick because they were charging too much and was bad value for the passengers.
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Old January 5th, 2010, 07:28 PM   #33
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what has the age of airport got to do, Dubai airport is much better period. Heathrow airport is badly designed and very busy, giving off too much emmisions, one can smell the jet fuel in the parking lot. Heathrow is chaotic and unorganised, the bloody food court have been refurbished, with it comes higher food prices and no more seeing the planes because the windows blocked off (from terminal 3). Trying to park there after drop off is a right nightmare due to traffic from badly designed roads. Heathrow airport will never achieve the ease of use and modernity of Dubai airport, get real. and the inauguration of the new terminal 5 was a shambles and very embarrassing, thousands of passengers suffered, sleeping on the floor and never ending flight cancelleation. The govt have been forced to make BAA which is owned by the spanish to sell off gatwick because they were charging too much and was bad value for the passengers.
Age has to do with everything - one of the consequences of progress is that we're suppose to improve. T3's roof would not have been possible in the 1960s, the underground connection would have been prohibitively expensive, the road layout would not yet have been conceived. DXB is at the beginning of it's life and so should have excess capacity, Heathrow 1-3 is near the end of theirs - precisely because it's no longer up to standard.

Giving off too much emissions? I've never noticed the smell of jet fuel - it's true that you are a lot nearer the fueling of aircraft when you arrive at the central terminal area than you ever get in Dubai - A vestige of it's 1950s design.

Road layout in the central terminal area is terrible, see point one about age and progress. There were simply never plans to have that many people drive to the airport. Heathrow discourages driving and provides three rail links and countless buses as alternatives - DXB doesn't come close on that point - you can't even transfer from T1&3 to T2 without getting a cab. (who then will swear at you for wanting such a short journey!)

DXB T2 incidentally is far worse than any terminal at Heathrow.

T5 opening was an embarrassing shambles - you're quite right about that! (so was Hong Kong's, Denver's etc, etc. Emirates rightly deserve recognition for executing a very smooth move into T3)

The decision to break up BAA was made by the Competition Commission - the UK's independent regulator.

Dubai, so far as I can ascertain, does not have an independent competition regulator to make the same judgement - given lower construction costs and operating costs (principally due to lower employment protection standards and the lack of taxes) I would expect Dubai's costs to be very much lower than those of any European airport. I'm unable to judge if DXB is offering a competitive service, and until Jebal Ali open's or their is a better travel option to Abu Dhabi there isn't any competition anyway.

Dubai (and the UAE) have achieved some amazing things, not least this week, but it is worth recognising that the circumstances there are remarkable.

Personally, I think at T5 Heathrow has achieved the ease of use and modernity of DXB - be it in a rather more modest manner - there's life in the old girl yet. Which brings me back on topic - I'm very impressed by what I've seen at T1 and 3 regards the refresh - still a lot lacking in layout which can't be dealt with by this project, but BAA seem to be doing a good job of smartening up until East phase 1 opens.

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what has the age of airport got to do, Dubai airport is much better period. Heathrow airport is badly designed and very busy, giving off too much emmisions, one can smell the jet fuel in the parking lot. Heathrow is chaotic and unorganised, the bloody food court have been refurbished, with it comes higher food prices and no more seeing the planes because the windows blocked off (from terminal 3). Trying to park there after drop off is a right nightmare due to traffic from badly designed roads. Heathrow airport will never achieve the ease of use and modernity of Dubai airport, get real. and the inauguration of the new terminal 5 was a shambles and very embarrassing, thousands of passengers suffered, sleeping on the floor and never ending flight cancelleation. The govt have been forced to make BAA which is owned by the spanish to sell off gatwick because they were charging too much and was bad value for the passengers.
You just answered your own question. When Heathrow was designed it was able to cope with more than the passenger numbers expected. Over the years the flights and aircraft using Heathrow have out grown the facilities, therefore it is in the state its in now.

Again, roads in the central area are dated and were not planned to cope with the capacity they do today - parking at Terminal 4 or 5 is easy.

Due to the nature of Heathrow's original design in the middle of the airfield it has been hard to change any of the infrastructure, which they are trying to address now - there is simply no room in the middle, its surrounded all sides by aircraft.

Therefore the reason Dubai airport copes better than Heathrow is because it was planned to be able to handle todays traffic numbers. Also [correct me if im wrong] more passengers travel through Heathrow Daily compared to Dubai.

Anyway. the point in this thread is improvements made to existing structures enabling them to cope before new terminals can replace them. you cant compare a relatively new airport/terminal to an airport built in the 1960s that has been given a facelift.
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Old August 8th, 2010, 06:11 PM   #35
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What will Heathrow look like by 2012, will the East Terminal be finished?

And a last question, does ayone of you know if after IB and BA merge, both will operate on the same terminal (this is T5)?

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Re the papal view that Heathrow is like the third world, I too thought the cardinal was referring to how crappy the airport was. Aha. I gather now that he was actually being critical of the UK's multiculturalism. Makes one glad to be secular. no?
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The new terminal can be built in a year or two as proved by other countries the will power is needed.
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