IT Park/IT SEZ Project Chennai

[dis.agree]

Originally Posted by saurabh85

From the above renders most of the buildings look to be 10-12 floors at max.Is there any limit on the number of floors in chennai? At this rate we are going to run out of space and green cover!!

how can we run out of space if new buildings are 10+ floors? existing ones on an average would be only slightly higher than 1 floor.

[saurabh85]

Well what i meant was we need to grow vertically rather than horizontally. And certainly we need to go higher than 10-12 floors considering even apartment complexes are around 20-25 floors in Singapore.

[ranga]

Originally Posted by saurabh85

Well what i meant was we need to grow vertically rather than horizontally. And certainly we need to go higher than 10-12 floors considering even apartment complexes are around 20-25 floors in Singapore.

Chennai and other urban nodes in TN definitely require vertical growth in the light of smaller area of the state holding more population (density of population is higher when compared to A.P and karnataka where sky scrapers are coming up in large numbers in their respective capital cities)saving limited fertile lands and avoiding unrest among people who are affected and giving scope to political opponents to take advantage of such situations.But chennai has to relocate the weather radar immediately to get things moving.

[TechCity]

Originally Posted by TechCity

Ascendas Software Park is mentioned as completed in http://www.ociarchitects.com.

Any idea where is it?

[dis.agree]

Originally Posted by ranga

Chennai and other urban nodes in TN definitely require vertical growth in the light of smaller area of the state holding more population (density of population is higher when compared to A.P and karnataka where sky scrapers are coming up in large numbers in their respective capital cities)saving limited fertile lands and avoiding unrest among people who are affected and giving scope to political opponents to take advantage of such situations.But chennai has to relocate the weather radar immediately to get things moving.

4.5 million people live within chennai city limits which is 180 sq km (one of the densest cities in the world). that is about 7% of tn population living in 0.15% tn area. surely your reply can't be a reason for justifying skyscrapers.

[senthil2001msk]

ETL infrastructure services ltd SEZ at chennai

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Phase I

http://etlinfra.com/html/chennai.html





















Technical Features :
1.38 million sq. ft. of super built-up intelligent office space
9 floors
143,688 sq. ft. floor plate area
Intelligent office module layout
Amongst the largest Gold rated Green buildings in the world
All 26 acres SEZ approved
1,43,000 sq. ft. large floor plate
Separate utility building ensuring minimum downtime and maximum safety.
400 covered and 450 open car parks.
Two wheeler parking for 3000 vehicles.
1000 seater large food court with fine dining.

Phase II (Under construction)

http://etlinfra.com/html/chennaiphase2.html

Technical Features:
Located in the same SEZ campus
2.4 million sq. ft. of intelligent office space
200,000 sq. ft. of automatic car parking space
More efficient floor plate design
This development will also conform to Gold rated green building standards
Gym with swimming pool and squash courts
2000 seater food court with fine dining
Development will also conform to US Green Building Standard

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[ChennaiChap]

Originally Posted by dis.agree

4.5 million people live within chennai city limits which is 180 sq km (one of the densest cities in the world). that is about 7% of tn population living in 0.15% tn area. surely your reply can't be a reason for justifying skyscrapers.

I always wondered why Chennai's city limit is small compared to other cities. Apparently, the city has grown by leaps and bounds over the past years, but the city limit stayed the same more or less. Any thoughts? I too think that Chennai is experiencing uber horizontal growth and it needs to be controlled. May be the New Chennai plan will materialize!

(Mods, I think this post might belong in Chennai discussion thread. If so, please move it. Thanks.)

[senthil2001msk]

ELCOT SEZ in Chennai
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ELCOT SEZ in Chennai

Chennai-SEZ 1 Sholinganalluar
Chennai-SEZ 2 Perumpakkam

http://elcot.in/it-parks-construction.php (Under construction)

IT Building Single Window Clearance

http://elcot.in/it-building-cleaners.php

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[TechCity]

Source:http://www.hiranandanipalacegardens....ness/index.cfm

Palace Gardens Business Park - a visionary new 118-acre IT/ITES business park being developed right next to the vibrant new Hiranandani Palace Gardens Chennai township. Offering the perfect blend of corporate and residential lifestyles - a true 21st century business destination.
With its world-class "plug-and-play" infrastructure and LEED© green building principles, this high-tech business park offers 9 multi-storey buildings with more than 16 million square feet of usable floor plate and more than 1 million square feet of parking space. Plus a build-to-suit campus area and boutique buildings.

To meet every business need of today's corporate, the Palace Gardens Business Park also includes a 35-storey tower, a hotel and convention centre. But it's not all about work! Here, you'll also find one of India's largest food courts, retail shopping, banks and ATMs galore. All this, with 60% open green space!


Palace Gardens is not just a Business Park It has got a major residential development next door offering a walk-to-work environment for your employees. This will be constructed over three self-contained phases all building to a unique master-planned community. Phase 1 has already started and will include a mix of elegant multi-story towers together with a number of low-rise garden apartments. All told there will be 1,700 beautifully designed and amenity-filled apartments in Phase 1. When Phases 2 and 3 are completed over the coming years, Palace Gardens will boast approximately 9,000 apartments.

The Palace Gardens Business Park is brought to you by Hirco, taking forward and greatly expanding the widely respected heritage of the Hiranandani Group - India's preeminent developer of mixed-use community townships over the past 25 years.

It includes 35-storey tower,16 Million sq ft,9 multi-storey buildings .
It is very nice.

Is that 35 storey tower approved?

[vinothvasagar]

Originally Posted by ranga

Chennai and other urban nodes in TN definitely require vertical growth in the light of smaller area of the state holding more population (density of population is higher when compared to A.P and karnataka where sky scrapers are coming up in large numbers in their respective capital cities)saving limited fertile lands and avoiding unrest among people who are affected and giving scope to political opponents to take advantage of such situations.But chennai has to relocate the weather radar immediately to get things moving.

Hi..
I believe that growing vertically becomes essential only when there is abosute scarcity of land.. especially in cases like Singapore, Hongkong, Taipei, Tokyo and even Mumbai, where land is not available. Singapore is the worst where they dont have further land to develop that they reclaim the sea (eg. santosa island is being reclaimed). No developer will actually create designs just for the sake of building skyscrapers of 50 or 60 floors and they put up the balance between cost of land and cost of construction.. It takes extra cost in building strong columns for a tall building and also running costs like high speed elevators. Also the usable life of the building is comparatively less. It poses risk to the users such as Fire evacuation, earthquakes.

I think Chennai or other TN cities have sufficient land to build buildings in a more spread, eco-friendly and concept based manner. I think concept buildings are the trend now and I firmly believe that more buildings will be build with new concepts. Also as the current IT developments are happening in the IT corridor and not in Mount Road there is no scarcity of Land...

Though your point of TN's population density being high compared to AP or KA is True, this does not make high enough to build REAL tall buildings. ( And I am happy that the city is not growing vertically for two main reasons... ONE- It brings business institutions into a smaller area that the cost of real estate goes drastically high.. TWO. As the city grows horizontally the need for a stronger Transport system will become inevitable and hopefully the Govt will take care of it.

[ChennaiChap]

Your observation is totally true about those cities that you mentioned. I do not think running cost of elevators, building strong columns, and risk factors are good enough reasons to not grow tall. All the risk factors you mentioned could be taken care of. After all, you can save lot of green by growing tall

Originally Posted by vinothvasagar

Hi..
I believe that growing vertically becomes essential only when there is abosute scarcity of land.. especially in cases like Singapore, Hongkong, Taipei, Tokyo and even Mumbai, where land is not available. Singapore is the worst where they dont have further land to develop that they reclaim the sea (eg. santosa island is being reclaimed). No developer will actually create designs just for the sake of building skyscrapers of 50 or 60 floors and they put up the balance between cost of land and cost of construction.. It takes extra cost in building strong columns for a tall building and also running costs like high speed elevators. Also the usable life of the building is comparatively less. It poses risk to the users such as Fire evacuation, earthquakes.

I think Chennai or other TN cities have sufficient land to build buildings in a more spread, eco-friendly and concept based manner. I think concept buildings are the trend now and I firmly believe that more buildings will be build with new concepts. Also as the current IT developments are happening in the IT corridor and not in Mount Road there is no scarcity of Land...

Though your point of TN's population density being high compared to AP or KA is True, this does not make high enough to build REAL tall buildings. ( And I am happy that the city is not growing vertically for two main reasons... ONE- It brings business institutions into a smaller area that the cost of real estate goes drastically high.. TWO. As the city grows horizontally the need for a stronger Transport system will become inevitable and hopefully the Govt will take care of it.

[kvijayasundaram]

Originally Posted by vinothvasagar

Hi..
I believe that growing vertically becomes essential only when there is abosute scarcity of land.. especially in cases like Singapore, Hongkong, Taipei, Tokyo and even Mumbai, where land is not available. Singapore is the worst where they dont have further land to develop that they reclaim the sea (eg. santosa island is being reclaimed). No developer will actually create designs just for the sake of building skyscrapers of 50 or 60 floors and they put up the balance between cost of land and cost of construction.. It takes extra cost in building strong columns for a tall building and also running costs like high speed elevators. Also the usable life of the building is comparatively less. It poses risk to the users such as Fire evacuation, earthquakes.

Sure, the cost of construction is higher in multistorey building when compared to low rises. But if you compare the cost of land within Chennai it would make
more sense to use the land area judiciously by building vertically and minimize the land usage. Chennai is already losing its greenery ( lung space) to mindless constructions of g+4 concrete structures that spread horizontally. At this rate Chennai will only have ugly concrete low rises that would leave no room for vegetation and no means for groundwater re-charge.

I think Chennai or other TN cities have sufficient land to build buildings in a more spread, eco-friendly and concept based manner. I think concept buildings are the trend now and I firmly believe that more buildings will be build with new concepts. Also as the current IT developments are happening in the IT corridor and not in Mount Road there is no scarcity of Land...

If you are claiming that Chennai has abundance of land you must be completely oblivious to current affairs in Chennai. If you rewind through this thread, you could see how TN Govt was not willing to sell 14 acres of HTL land in guindy( in Mount road) for 330 crores. Apparently TN govt expects more for that piece of land. I am sure that the cost of land in OMR may be slightly less but definitely in crores of rupees per acre, which again would be unaffordable to many small builders.

Though your point of TN's population density being high compared to AP or KA is True, this does not make high enough to build REAL tall buildings. ( And I am happy that the city is not growing vertically for two main reasons... ONE- It brings business institutions into a smaller area that the cost of real estate goes drastically high.. TWO. As the city grows horizontally the need for a stronger Transport system will become inevitable and hopefully the Govt will take care of it.

I am really sad to see your comments that you feel happy to see Chennai not
growing vertically and that too for two wrong reasons.

ONE - You dont want business to enter smaller areas whereby you can keep the real estate prices under check. Aren't you sounding little anti-development here? Please do understand that when development is happening, the land becomes the most sought after commodity and the only way to keep the spiraling land prices under check is to go vertical.

TWO as the city grows horizontally the need for transportation increases which again strains the environment, not to mention the impact it will have on the increasing fuel prices.
Wouldn't it takes more sense to have self contained townships where people could walk to work.

[Rasnaboy]

Sure! Like you said, saving the greenery is the need of the hour, and it can be achieved by growing vertically. Notwithstanding the vertical growth of the city, transportation will be an essential thing. Even if the city grows vertically, it needs to be connected with its suburbs and other cities. So, the city will not lag behind in trasportation even in an event of vertical growth (Global cities are an example.). In the case of rampant construction of low-rise buildings, with every handful of floors taking their own share of subterranean concrete pedestals, conservation of groundwater will become a thing of the past.

[vinothvasagar]

[QUOTE=kvijayasundaram;21367459]Sure, the cost of construction is higher in multistorey building when compared to low rises. But if you compare the cost of land within Chennai it would make
more sense to use the land area judiciously by building vertically and minimize the land usage. Chennai is already losing its greenery ( lung space) to mindless constructions of g+4 concrete structures that spread horizontally. At this rate Chennai will only have ugly concrete low rises that would leave no room for vegetation and no means for groundwater re-charge.




If you are claiming that Chennai has abundance of land you must be completely oblivious to current affairs in Chennai. If you rewind through this thread, you could see how TN Govt was not willing to sell 14 acres of HTL land in guindy( in Mount road) for 330 crores. Apparently TN govt expects more for that piece of land. I am sure that the cost of land in OMR may be slightly less but definitely in crores of rupees per acre, which again would be unaffordable to many small builders. If TN govt manages it to sell it for 400 Cr, the buyer will convert it to Business space with 50 or 60 storey building in Guindy employing 30000 engineers atleast?? What will happen to the city then?? Instead they should be moved to OMR...



I am really sad to see your comments that you feel happy to see Chennai not
growing vertically and that too for two wrong reasons.

ONE - You dont want business to enter smaller areas whereby you can keep the real estate prices under check. Aren't you sounding little anti-development here? Please do understand that when development is happening, the land becomes the most sought after commodity and the only way to keep the spiraling land prices under check is to go vertical.

Having properties affordable to public is not necessarily anti-development! Wouldn't you love having your own home in Chennai? Buildings of 60+ storeys can happen only in areas like Mount Road, Nungambakkam.. Why would a builder build a 60 storey building in OMR??

TWO as the city grows horizontally the need for transportation increases which again strains the environment, not to mention the impact it will have on the increasing fuel prices.

I agree that the fuel prices are a bit of a concern. But think this situation... there are 10 buildings of 60 storeys each and employs 30000 employees each in Guindy Industrial estate.. Now there are a total of 300000 employees who will try to fit into the Guindy area in some accomomdation.. Do you have that vast amount of land available around Guindy? NO.. So demand will raise and the prices will go up.. Out of the 300000 employees, 20000 of them will get the best home very close to office and walkable to office (who can afford).. What happens to rest they will be spread out from Chrompet and Guindy to Tambaram and MaraimalaiNagar... So eventually all may have to travel from their home all the way to their offices. Instead have smaller offices spread on the outskirts over a vast stretch with residencies closer which will make life easy. If Guindy becomes unaffordable to junior Software Engineers then think about common non IT people... Every mornings and evenings 300000 vehicles will try entering Guindy.. You might then need 10+10 Laned Kathipara flyover...

Also 10 litres of petrol costing Rs. 55 per litre per month is not a huge portion of your salary whereas 2 hours of traffic jam is a huge portion of a 24 hour day.
Wouldn't it takes more sense to have self contained townships where people could walk to work.
As you have said clearly self contained Townships are something which has to come in the extreme outskirts (50 miles away from Chennai where land is available in abundant and not in Chennai limits)

I agree on your point that the real estate prices in Corporation limits are at all time highs ( you have mentioned it in Mount Road). I live in London and people here are sick and tired of concrete structures packed in central London. So give up the imagination that tall buildings are the charm for cities. When business centers are placed in high buildings in a congested city centre, you cannot afford living close to it and dream of walking to the office.

TN govt has already learnt the problems from Bangalore and that is why they proposed this IT corridor. They chose IT corridor as it had started flourishing by then.. When you get land for 25 lacs an acre in OMR... Why would the builder buy land in sq. feets for crores of Rupees. And that is the reason why there are more new projects coming in OMR than in Mount Road.. Dont come out to say that there is absolutely no land in Mount Road.. There are still a lot of shops/ showrooms with just single or 2 storeyed in Mount Road.. And for anybody who think that farmlands will not be given by farmers does not make sense.. The reason for controversies are simply the fear that they might get fooled by the government or the greedyness for getting a better price.

Also, think about the problems when a 60 storey office building is constructed near Kathipara or Guindy and 40000 engineers try to work from there daily???
Check these photos..
http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1...59521194oayKxp
http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1...59521194wviZSr
http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1...59521194ojIlKq

I would love my city to be with this landscape than living on 50th floor, taking an escalator to reach the ground, then struggle reaching office and finally taking the escalator to go to my office on the 50th floor...

Also to give a clarity on my stand... I am not opposed to building tall buildings.. I say that tall buildings (60+) are normally built in places where land is absolutely not available... My point is not about having not more than 2 or 3 storeys.. 20 to 25 storey buildings in outskirts is OK... But having 60+ storey buildings within the city limits is not the right idea... And whatever happening in OMR now is satisfactory...

[vinothvasagar]

Originally Posted by ChennaiChap

Your observation is totally true about those cities that you mentioned. I do not think running cost of elevators, building strong columns, and risk factors are good enough reasons to not grow tall. All the risk factors you mentioned could be taken care of. After all, you can save lot of green by growing tall

I accept that running cost for escalators and extra expenditure on tall buildings are not huge in comparison to the cost of building on the whole.. But they are still cost which will be atleast worth a couple of crores.. for which the builder can easily buy a couple of more acres in OMR.. So if a construction company buys 10 acres of land in OMR, he will use 5 acres in building (medium rise for 10 to 20 storey) and rest 5 acres in greenery...

And the view that saving land space depends on individual's perspective.. We have unused land (without green) in bits and pieces all over Kanchipuram district and Thiruvallur district.. instead of concentrating just on Moutn Road or even OMR..

[TechCity]

The grass is always greener on the other side.

We prefer hitech city,because we are living in developing country,we expect more metro,spatious roads,flyovers,tall buildings..

I think ,it is vice-versa for you.

[kvijayasundaram]

[QUOTE=vinothvasagar;21379905]

Originally Posted by kvijayasundaram

Sure, the cost of construction is higher in multistorey building when compared to low rises. But if you compare the cost of land within Chennai it would make
more sense to use the land area judiciously by building vertically and minimize the land usage. Chennai is already losing its greenery ( lung space) to mindless constructions of g+4 concrete structures that spread horizontally. At this rate Chennai will only have ugly concrete low rises that would leave no room for vegetation and no means for groundwater re-charge.




If you are claiming that Chennai has abundance of land you must be completely oblivious to current affairs in Chennai. If you rewind through this thread, you could see how TN Govt was not willing to sell 14 acres of HTL land in guindy( in Mount road) for 330 crores. Apparently TN govt expects more for that piece of land. I am sure that the cost of land in OMR may be slightly less but definitely in crores of rupees per acre, which again would be unaffordable to many small builders. If TN govt manages it to sell it for 400 Cr, the buyer will convert it to Business space with 50 or 60 storey building in Guindy employing 30000 engineers atleast?? What will happen to the city then?? Instead they should be moved to OMR...



I am really sad to see your comments that you feel happy to see Chennai not
growing vertically and that too for two wrong reasons.

ONE - You dont want business to enter smaller areas whereby you can keep the real estate prices under check. Aren't you sounding little anti-development here? Please do understand that when development is happening, the land becomes the most sought after commodity and the only way to keep the spiraling land prices under check is to go vertical.

Having properties affordable to public is not necessarily anti-development! Wouldn't you love having your own home in Chennai? Buildings of 60+ storeys can happen only in areas like Mount Road, Nungambakkam.. Why would a builder build a 60 storey building in OMR??

TWO as the city grows horizontally the need for transportation increases which again strains the environment, not to mention the impact it will have on the increasing fuel prices.

I agree that the fuel prices are a bit of a concern. But think this situation... there are 10 buildings of 60 storeys each and employs 30000 employees each in Guindy Industrial estate.. Now there are a total of 300000 employees who will try to fit into the Guindy area in some accomomdation.. Do you have that vast amount of land available around Guindy? NO.. So demand will raise and the prices will go up.. Out of the 300000 employees, 20000 of them will get the best home very close to office and walkable to office (who can afford).. What happens to rest they will be spread out from Chrompet and Guindy to Tambaram and MaraimalaiNagar... So eventually all may have to travel from their home all the way to their offices. Instead have smaller offices spread on the outskirts over a vast stretch with residencies closer which will make life easy. If Guindy becomes unaffordable to junior Software Engineers then think about common non IT people... Every mornings and evenings 300000 vehicles will try entering Guindy.. You might then need 10+10 Laned Kathipara flyover...

Also 10 litres of petrol costing Rs. 55 per litre per month is not a huge portion of your salary whereas 2 hours of traffic jam is a huge portion of a 24 hour day.
Wouldn't it takes more sense to have self contained townships where people could walk to work.
As you have said clearly self contained Townships are something which has to come in the extreme outskirts (50 miles away from Chennai where land is available in abundant and not in Chennai limits)

I agree on your point that the real estate prices in Corporation limits are at all time highs ( you have mentioned it in Mount Road). I live in London and people here are sick and tired of concrete structures packed in central London. So give up the imagination that tall buildings are the charm for cities. When business centers are placed in high buildings in a congested city centre, you cannot afford living close to it and dream of walking to the office.

TN govt has already learnt the problems from Bangalore and that is why they proposed this IT corridor. They chose IT corridor as it had started flourishing by then.. When you get land for 25 lacs an acre in OMR... Why would the builder buy land in sq. feets for crores of Rupees. And that is the reason why there are more new projects coming in OMR than in Mount Road.. Dont come out to say that there is absolutely no land in Mount Road.. There are still a lot of shops/ showrooms with just single or 2 storeyed in Mount Road.. And for anybody who think that farmlands will not be given by farmers does not make sense.. The reason for controversies are simply the fear that they might get fooled by the government or the greedyness for getting a better price.

Also, think about the problems when a 60 storey office building is constructed near Kathipara or Guindy and 40000 engineers try to work from there daily???
Check these photos..
http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1...59521194oayKxp
http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1...59521194wviZSr
http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/1...59521194ojIlKq

I would love my city to be with this landscape than living on 50th floor, taking an escalator to reach the ground, then struggle reaching office and finally taking the escalator to go to my office on the 50th floor...

Also to give a clarity on my stand... I am not opposed to building tall buildings.. I say that tall buildings (60+) are normally built in places where land is absolutely not available... My point is not about having not more than 2 or 3 storeys.. 20 to 25 storey buildings in outskirts is OK... But having 60+ storey buildings within the city limits is not the right idea... And whatever happening in OMR now is satisfactory...

Vinothvasagar,

Seriously, which planet are you from? I don't intend to be disrespectful but You seem to have no clue about the land prices in Chennai. How in world did you come up with the figure of 25 lacs/acre in OMR.
Check out this site to see the prevailing rates in OMR( Kelambakkam siruseri regions which are about 25 kms from the heart of chennai)

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...ow/3094570.cms

.......In Chennai, prices had gone beyond realistic levels, says a Chennai-based real estate consultant. He says that at Kelambakkam on OMR, land value is down from Rs 10 crore to Rs 7-8 crore an acre. Similarly, at Ambattur, land value is down from Rs 10 crore to Rs 6.5 crore an acre........

[TechCity]

Source:http://www.rattha.in/sez.html

This is the swf file
http://www.rattha.in/images/sez.swf

It is very Nice.

The Estra IT Park (SEZ), located in the key suburban locality of Ayyapanthangal in Chennai. This SEZ is spread across 26 acres of prime real estate, covers over 4.5 million sq.ft and includes a host pertinent features that will become benchmarks for all SEZ's to come.

The architect for this project is HOK.

[TechCity]

Can we embed the swf file,like youtube videos?

[TechCity]

....
Fabiani said the first tower of India Land Technology Park in suburban Ambattur, currently under construction, would be ready for occupation by July.
...

Source:http://www.business-standard.com/com...&autono=319597