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Old July 15th, 2008, 09:14 AM   #21
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Old July 15th, 2008, 05:18 PM   #22
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Rotonda in Spanish means Roundabout
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Old July 15th, 2008, 05:29 PM   #23
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In Dutch it's "Rotonde" quite close
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Old July 15th, 2008, 06:48 PM   #24
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Rotonda in Spanish means Roundabout
In Italian too
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Old July 15th, 2008, 10:24 PM   #25
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We call it "Dönel Kavşak".

BTW What happened to eighth of the Rotonda?
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Old July 16th, 2008, 04:45 AM   #26
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The thing about Zoning By-Laws are that they are designed to be broken. In Ontario we have the extra luxury of a separate court just for planning issues.

Also I prefer street layout 1, but also 2. 1 works with vehicles because there are limited cross streets, whereas 2 is more pedestrian friendly, IMO
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Old July 16th, 2008, 06:10 AM   #27
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My preference is for something like how Paris' streets are laid out. You get the best of all worlds:

1) Large straight boulevard for through traffic

2) No real grid pattern, which means it doesn't get repetitive and boring

3) Plenty of back-streets to offer alternatives to the main arterial routes

4) Great sight-lines for tourists.

Or best yet, something like Venice where you have no cars at all.
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Old July 16th, 2008, 12:41 PM   #28
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This dutch suburb is pretty odd looking as well:
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Old July 16th, 2008, 04:20 PM   #29
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Yeah that's Amersfoort. Not really a suburb, it's all part of the city proper. Those old names used to be separate villages. Amersfoort is a fast growing city to handle the population growth and demographic shift in the Randstad. Too bad the road system didn't catched up at all.
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Old July 16th, 2008, 08:33 PM   #30
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Those Dutch communities look incredible. Planned to the detail, as if the map was drawn precisely on paper before building.
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Old July 16th, 2008, 08:50 PM   #31
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What I hear often from colleagues and others is that Dutch suburbs are too urban planners-minded, and the traffic engineers are introduced in the stage where it's already too late to make fundamental traffic changes, so most Dutch suburban area's that are from the 1990's and later have a less than optimum traffic circulation.

This varies from parking to road width to integration in the existing road system.

Living in such a suburb myself, there were some fundamental mistakes (in my opinion). North and South Stadshagen are not very good integrated (no connecting streets between both area's), and there is a lack of parking space in some area's. (1.5 parking space per home, while 1.8 is better with current demographia). They've corrected that somewhat in the newer hoods.
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Old July 16th, 2008, 09:00 PM   #32
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Old July 16th, 2008, 09:13 PM   #33
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Houten, a planned suburb of Utrecht. The city has a one lane ringroad, and the neighborhoods are only accessible from this ringroad, you cannot drive from one hood to another. This results in high bicycle usage, which is a good thing, but Houten commuters usually drive to work, which can be a pain in the ass. Forumer Frits lives here and I often hear horror stories about the delays he experiences.
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Old July 20th, 2008, 12:42 PM   #34
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Does anybody know what this is? It's Horizon City, just east of El Paso, Texas. The area is about 20km/13 miles across. There seems to be streets, however the (fairly recent) imagery shows nothing.

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Old July 20th, 2008, 03:09 PM   #35
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Maybe they built the entire city in a few years.
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Does anybody know what this is? It's Horizon City, just east of El Paso, Texas. The area is about 20km/13 miles across. There seems to be streets, however the (fairly recent) imagery shows nothing.

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I've looked into this and it turns out that if you'll look closely you can see unpaved dirt roads along the white lines. I think they are planning an urban expansion and have already marked the street layout.
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Yeah, but this is quite huge. Almost the same size as El Paso.
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Old July 21st, 2008, 12:44 AM   #38
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No no, "In Texas, everything is bigger". Or better: "Texas is bigger than France" They're quite proud of that.
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Old July 24th, 2008, 12:49 AM   #40
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Houten, a planned suburb of Utrecht. The city has a one lane ringroad, and the neighborhoods are only accessible from this ringroad, you cannot drive from one hood to another. This results in high bicycle usage, which is a good thing, but Houten commuters usually drive to work, which can be a pain in the ass. Forumer Frits lives here and I often hear horror stories about the delays he experiences.
Sounds pretty scary to me. What if someone needs urgent medical assistance, or if a fire catches up somewhere?
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