TAS - General Projects & Discussion (-5 lvl) - Page 8

OptomistOne · April 3rd, 2009, 08:14 AM

No idea.

Timbob · April 6th, 2009, 12:04 PM

Ok Jimmy - where's Episode III?

Ordex · April 7th, 2009, 12:23 AM

there was a big fence around the ract office as I went past this morning.
guess we will start to see some action here now

OptomistOne · April 7th, 2009, 01:21 AM

Good news Ordex - my "spies" can be trusted it seems re the 6 April start.

As it is a Fairbrother site it will be interesting to see if the crane whcih was on the Menzies Centre site turns up on this one....

Might try and get some photos too once there is something substantial - i.e demo work for example - to see.

Tassieboy · April 7th, 2009, 03:26 AM

Bigger development than i thought.

OptomistOne · April 7th, 2009, 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tassieboy

Bigger development than i thought.

Yes. When finished it will be about as big as the Cimitire House development you provided us with details on earlier.

Danubis · April 7th, 2009, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy James

Read on as respected demographer Bernard Salt takes us into the past to expose the way environmentalism has prevented projects in the national interest from going ahead.

Recent years have seen the country preoccupied with the shortage of water - but nobody seems to want to touch the obvious solution. Read here how NIMBYs unwashed ally - the Greenie has kept Australia dry for over 20 years...

The setting is Tasmania, hence why we're in this thread...

Franklin my dear, I don't give a dam
Bernard Salt
August 25, 2005

AUSTRALIAN environmentalists won an important victory in 1982. As a consequence of protests by the fledgling green movement, the proposal to dam Tasmania's Franklin River was withdrawn.

Not only did this action save the Franklin, it also set the political agenda for the next two, and possibly up to five, decades.

And the reason for this extraordinary impact from one green campaign is this: no political leader since that event has proposed the building of a major new dam to service metropolitan Australia.

The last new dam added to the water reserves of metropolitan Australia was Sydney's Tallowa, completed in 1977.

State politicians believe that the surest way to be voted out of office is to propose the building of a new dam, so they avoid the subject altogether. State premiers don't like using the d-word.

The political response is to find a solution, any solution, rather than build a new dam, and indeed to remove the whole dam concept from political debate: Out damned dams!

qld gov proposed mary river dam two elections ago... they're still in office.

Tassieboy · April 7th, 2009, 11:34 AM

$15 mil! I was for some reason thinking single story and about $2 mil.

Tassieboy · April 7th, 2009, 11:38 AM

The project I'm really interested in now is Saffire Freycinet, http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=839208
Hobart is really steaming ahead. Anyone read about the $20 million proposal for the wharf shed. Personally i think the whole shed should be demolished into something a lot better! We've only got one chance to do this right, so why cost cut?

OptomistOne · April 8th, 2009, 01:27 AM

Tassie Boy - that proposal is still very much at the consultation stage I think but I reckon you are pretty right about what the final cost will be. Expect an announcement sooner rather than later. I agree with you though I reckon demo it and start from scratch - but I bet they won't.

Also there is a similiar proposal floating around for a shed of the same size on the opposite side of Sullivan's Cove which is likely to be turned into private art gallery and that will be about $20 million too. That is being proposed by teh same guy who is building the $50 million MONA art centre in Hobart's northern suburbs.

And just to add a bit more heat to "Hobart steaming ahead" we havn't even factored in yet the new Myer Centre for central Hobart which will be at least $70 milliion....expect announcements on that later this year.

If all of these projects get a start Hobart won't just be "steaming" it will be cooked!

Tassieboy · April 8th, 2009, 05:53 AM

The Myer development was originally estimated at something like 200 million if I'm not wrong. But everything seems to have stalled. To be honest with you when I heard a Myer in Tasmania had burnt down I was hoping it was the ghastly one up here in Launceston. It's taken a very long time for nothing to happen at the Myer site and it looks very unsightly like (the whole of Launceston) the C.H Smith area up here.

OptomistOne · April 8th, 2009, 06:03 AM

Yes - it is all a bit slow with Myer but the original $200 million proposal was for a complete re-development of Myer Hobart and the Cat and Fiddle Arcade but when the owners of Cat and Fiddle (Centro) pulled out and then the fire happened it just all got too hard, I think.

But the rumors are that something will happen on the site and hopefully a nice new Myer Centre will emerge - like a Phoenix from the Ashes hopefully sooner than later.

Agree about that long vacant Launceston site - its a bit ordinary!

Ordex · April 8th, 2009, 08:31 AM

If I remember rightly an article ran in the mercury suggesting that the site may even be given to another developer if nothing happens soon

Tassieboy · April 8th, 2009, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ordex

If I remember rightly an article ran in the mercury suggesting that the site may even be given to another developer if nothing happens soon

You talking about the Myer site in Hobart?

Ordex · April 9th, 2009, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tassieboy

You talking about the Myer site in Hobart?

Yes....kinda off topic. sorry

OptomistOne · April 9th, 2009, 01:36 AM

Don't know if Myer would ever let go of the lease they have over the site....it's possible, I suppose but I still think it is more likely we will get an announcement on a new Myer Centre later this year. My guess is June/July...

I don't think the State Government and the Hobart City Council will allow the site to sit vacant for much longer. It is pretty shocking.....

Tassieboy · April 9th, 2009, 08:20 AM

A couple of years ago I wouldn't have put anything past the HCC.

OptomistOne · April 15th, 2009, 05:27 AM

Work has now started in ernest.

Fairbrother's are busy at work. Most of the top floor of the old 2 storey building was demolished over the Easter break. More to follow then construction of the new 4 storey building will start in earnest after the basement has been fully excavated.

Need to get up there with a camera...

Ordex · April 15th, 2009, 08:00 AM

yes I saw that when I walked past today.
Will take a pic on the way home or tomorrow on the way in if it's not too wet!

also can we get the thread title changed to UC or something

OptomistOne · April 16th, 2009, 06:18 AM

Ordex - I was up at The Paint Shop at lunchtime and had my camera with me...so the temptation to take a shot or two of the demo work was too strong to resist!

Here they are...

And can we get a Mod to change the tile to under construction now??

April 3rd, 2009, 08:14 AM	#141
OptomistOne Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hobart Posts: 1,154 Likes (Received): 2	No idea. __________________ London, the World's Greatest City.......................................after Hobart.

April 7th, 2009, 01:21 AM	#144
OptomistOne Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hobart Posts: 1,154 Likes (Received): 2	Good news Ordex - my "spies" can be trusted it seems re the 6 April start. As it is a Fairbrother site it will be interesting to see if the crane whcih was on the Menzies Centre site turns up on this one.... Might try and get some photos too once there is something substantial - i.e demo work for example - to see. __________________ London, the World's Greatest City.......................................after Hobart.

April 7th, 2009, 03:26 AM	#145
Tassieboy Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Launceston Posts: 118 Likes (Received): 0	Bigger development than i thought. __________________ TASSIE BOY

April 7th, 2009, 11:34 AM	#148
Tassieboy Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Launceston Posts: 118 Likes (Received): 0	$15 mil! I was for some reason thinking single story and about $2 mil. __________________ TASSIE BOY

April 7th, 2009, 11:38 AM	#149
Tassieboy Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Launceston Posts: 118 Likes (Received): 0	The project I'm really interested in now is Saffire Freycinet, http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=839208 Hobart is really steaming ahead. Anyone read about the $20 million proposal for the wharf shed. Personally i think the whole shed should be demolished into something a lot better! We've only got one chance to do this right, so why cost cut? __________________ TASSIE BOY

April 6th, 2009, 12:04 PM	#142
Timbob Registered User Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Canberra, ACT Posts: 12 Likes (Received): 1	Ok Jimmy - where's Episode III?

April 7th, 2009, 12:23 AM	#143
Ordex Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Canberra Posts: 441 Likes (Received): 0	there was a big fence around the ract office as I went past this morning. guess we will start to see some action here now

April 8th, 2009, 01:27 AM	#150
OptomistOne Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hobart Posts: 1,154 Likes (Received): 2	Tassie Boy - that proposal is still very much at the consultation stage I think but I reckon you are pretty right about what the final cost will be. Expect an announcement sooner rather than later. I agree with you though I reckon demo it and start from scratch - but I bet they won't. Also there is a similiar proposal floating around for a shed of the same size on the opposite side of Sullivan's Cove which is likely to be turned into private art gallery and that will be about $20 million too. That is being proposed by teh same guy who is building the $50 million MONA art centre in Hobart's northern suburbs. And just to add a bit more heat to "Hobart steaming ahead" we havn't even factored in yet the new Myer Centre for central Hobart which will be at least $70 milliion....expect announcements on that later this year. If all of these projects get a start Hobart won't just be "steaming" it will be cooked! __________________ London, the World's Greatest City.......................................after Hobart.

April 8th, 2009, 05:53 AM	#151
Tassieboy Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Launceston Posts: 118 Likes (Received): 0	The Myer development was originally estimated at something like 200 million if I'm not wrong. But everything seems to have stalled. To be honest with you when I heard a Myer in Tasmania had burnt down I was hoping it was the ghastly one up here in Launceston. It's taken a very long time for nothing to happen at the Myer site and it looks very unsightly like (the whole of Launceston) the C.H Smith area up here. __________________ TASSIE BOY

April 8th, 2009, 06:03 AM	#152
OptomistOne Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hobart Posts: 1,154 Likes (Received): 2	Yes - it is all a bit slow with Myer but the original $200 million proposal was for a complete re-development of Myer Hobart and the Cat and Fiddle Arcade but when the owners of Cat and Fiddle (Centro) pulled out and then the fire happened it just all got too hard, I think. But the rumors are that something will happen on the site and hopefully a nice new Myer Centre will emerge - like a Phoenix from the Ashes hopefully sooner than later. Agree about that long vacant Launceston site - its a bit ordinary! __________________ London, the World's Greatest City.......................................after Hobart.

April 8th, 2009, 08:31 AM	#153
Ordex Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Canberra Posts: 441 Likes (Received): 0	If I remember rightly an article ran in the mercury suggesting that the site may even be given to another developer if nothing happens soon

April 9th, 2009, 01:36 AM	#156
OptomistOne Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hobart Posts: 1,154 Likes (Received): 2	Don't know if Myer would ever let go of the lease they have over the site....it's possible, I suppose but I still think it is more likely we will get an announcement on a new Myer Centre later this year. My guess is June/July... I don't think the State Government and the Hobart City Council will allow the site to sit vacant for much longer. It is pretty shocking..... __________________ London, the World's Greatest City.......................................after Hobart.

April 9th, 2009, 08:20 AM	#157
Tassieboy Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Launceston Posts: 118 Likes (Received): 0	A couple of years ago I wouldn't have put anything past the HCC. __________________ TASSIE BOY

April 15th, 2009, 05:27 AM	#158
OptomistOne Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hobart Posts: 1,154 Likes (Received): 2	Work has now started in ernest. Fairbrother's are busy at work. Most of the top floor of the old 2 storey building was demolished over the Easter break. More to follow then construction of the new 4 storey building will start in earnest after the basement has been fully excavated. Need to get up there with a camera... __________________ London, the World's Greatest City.......................................after Hobart.

April 15th, 2009, 08:00 AM	#159
Ordex Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Canberra Posts: 441 Likes (Received): 0	yes I saw that when I walked past today. Will take a pic on the way home or tomorrow on the way in if it's not too wet! also can we get the thread title changed to UC or something

April 16th, 2009, 06:18 AM	#160
OptomistOne Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Hobart Posts: 1,154 Likes (Received): 2	Ordex - I was up at The Paint Shop at lunchtime and had my camera with me...so the temptation to take a shot or two of the demo work was too strong to resist! Here they are... And can we get a Mod to change the tile to under construction now?? __________________ London, the World's Greatest City.......................................after Hobart.

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