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Old January 5th, 2011, 12:47 AM   #461
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are the towers even approved? because the title still says proposed.
This should answer your question. Signature of the Hermitage Towers deal between the Hermitage group (Ermin Iskenderov, seated right) and La Défense Authority (Joëlle Ceccaldi-Raynaud, chairman of La Défense Authority, seated center, and Philippe Chaix, executive director of La Défense Authority, seated left), in presence of presidents Sarkzoy and Medvedev last June in Saint Petersburg.

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Old January 5th, 2011, 01:25 AM   #462
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Towers are approved, the title of the thread is obsolete.
Yes. And someone please change the height too. Pleeeeeeaaaaaazzzzzzz!!
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Old January 5th, 2011, 05:56 PM   #463
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Officialy the height is still 323 m...
All the official sources (EPADESA, Hermitage and the certainly the building permit) mention that height, not another.
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Old January 6th, 2011, 12:08 AM   #464
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Officially, the Chernobyl cloud never reached France.
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Old January 6th, 2011, 01:57 AM   #465
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Officialy the height is still 323 m...
All the official sources (EPADESA, Hermitage and the certainly the building permit) mention that height, not another.
Ok, but what is the REAL height then?
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Old January 6th, 2011, 10:06 AM   #466
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Officialy the height is 323 m and that certainy not change.
BUT : there is an artificial ground in La Defense called la dalle and the official height is calculed from this artificial ground.
The natural ground is 14 meters below, so that's why there is two differents heights for these towers (323m and 337m) and Hermitage towers are near the end of this artificial ground.
But only one height is officialy communicate : 323m.

The question is : which height must be the reference ?

- The official one (from the government, the developer Hermitage, all the press and the architect Norman Foster).

- The one calculed by some forumeurs. The question is open (both heights are true).
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Old January 6th, 2011, 10:26 AM   #467
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The "dalle" thing is pure politics to make them more accepted by Parisians. Traditionaly we count the height from the ground and not from a nearby esplanade. The question that's open is is 337m the exact height from ground level for sure.
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Old January 6th, 2011, 11:36 AM   #468
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The 323m height is purely symbolistic : the hermitage towers officialy can't be higher than the Eiffel Tower (324m).
That's why the height is calculed from the artificial ground and not the natural one.
For most people it will be a 323m towers (the official communication) but for more specialized people, it will be 337m.
(And for moles it will be certainly higher than 337m).
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Old January 6th, 2011, 12:35 PM   #469
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Please when this stupid limitation from eiffel tower will stop?
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Old January 6th, 2011, 12:52 PM   #470
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Eiffel Tower and La Defense are far away enough from one another that they should not interfere with each others' visibility, so that height restriction makes no sense to me. I too hope it gets overturned eventually.
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Old January 6th, 2011, 02:02 PM   #471
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There is no height restriction. They could build a 800 meters tower if they wished. The height they have selected is only to avoid a controversy (the French intellectual elites love controversies).
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There is no height restriction. They could build a 800 meters tower if they wished. The height they have selected is only to avoid a controversy (the French intellectual elites love controversies).
no no ! Paris mairie doesn't want a skyscrappers bigger than eiffel, i read this several times
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La Défense isn't located on the jurisdiction of the municipality of Paris.
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Old January 7th, 2011, 02:15 AM   #474
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The part under paving stone is an infrastructure, so the height is 323 meters.
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Old January 7th, 2011, 02:22 AM   #475
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No, it's a superstructure. The real height is 337 meters. That's the height you'll have above you when standing on the quais above the Seine.
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Old January 7th, 2011, 08:29 AM   #476
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Ha ha ?

> http://www.leparisien.fr/hauts-de-se...11-1216413.php
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lol.
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Old January 7th, 2011, 10:30 AM   #478
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I think HP is not concerned by the LD height restriction (it is outside the limit or a 350m NHF limit, so ok)) but the DGAC* said they will not accept several supertalls in this sector (after the acceptation of the Phare tower), so, if they say no, HP could become skyscrapers and not supertalls...
In Las-Vegas it was no officialy height restriction until a 500m+ tower would planned...
Hope destiny of HP will not follow the LV case.
Wait and see.

*DGAC is like FAA (Federal Aviation Administration) for USA

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la limite passe juste derrière notre emprise foncière », assurait hier Emin Iskenderov
And it is the real problem : HP seems to be just outside, at the limit of the heigh restriction. This limit can be modified to include the HP.
Hope not
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a- there is no height limit at the location that Hermitage selected. The height limit is further up the hill. The newspaper article actually confirms that (typical journalist trick: flashy headline, then the real stuff inside the article, which contradicts the flashy headline).

b- the aviation authorities cannot block the Hermitage project, because there is no height limit where the Hermitage towers will be built. We don't live in a banana republic. The rule of law (état de droit for Mr. Cyril) applies in France, so an administrative authority cannot do as they please on a whim at random. The Hermitage project respects the law, the aviation authority may whine, they cannot block it, because there is no legal height restriction where the towers will be built. Besides, the Hermitage group has hired the best lawyers, notaries, and land surveyors of Paris. I've already checked and published some documents published by these legal experts.
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This limit can be modified to include the HP.
Legally impossible. You cannot change the law just for one special case. That would be immediately struck down by an administrative judge, because that wouldn't respect the rule of law. The law needs to be general and not made for a special case. That's a constitutional principle.

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