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Old January 7th, 2011, 12:59 PM   #481
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Here comes 'Mr Flap Happy' again! I'm sure you guys noticed his valuable contribution once more...only here to rejoice with every single worrying news regarding La Défense's projects. Thank god he didn't favour us with his traditional 'lol' (at least on here as he did it on some other forums...) Pathetic bloke...
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Old January 7th, 2011, 01:03 PM   #482
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Honestly, while I agree with you we should remain realistic on every issues and I don't share the extreme enthusiasm of many members, I fail to see how we can rejoice of news like that.
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Old January 7th, 2011, 01:09 PM   #483
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Here comes 'Mr Flap Happy' again! I'm sure you guys noticed his valuable contribution once more...only here to rejoice with every single worrying news regarding La Défense's projects. Thank god he didn't favour us with his traditional 'lol' (at least on here as he did it on some other forums...) Pathetic bloke...
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Old January 7th, 2011, 01:32 PM   #484
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Bon ca suffit!!!!

1. Jex7844 pas de coups sous la ceinture, si tu as un problème avec Cyril règle le par PM!
2. Cyril, en tant que modérateur tu n'es pas supposé parler comme ça.
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Old January 7th, 2011, 02:55 PM   #485
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what will the cost of the apartments in these towers?

$1 million and above?
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Old January 7th, 2011, 04:06 PM   #486
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Paris should build something over 500m.
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Old January 7th, 2011, 04:57 PM   #487
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Be cool, every french forumeurs want the HP towers, the only difference between some of them is :
realism VS blind enthusiasm.

For Airport security traffic, laws can be changed even outside banana republics (the Las Vegas 500m tower canceled because of FAA is an exemple).
That's strange that a height is no more a problem ten meters after the limit of the sector (for two 350m NGF towers...). That's remind me Tchernobil Cloud too.
Nimbys havent a new weapon : DGAC
But DGAC said that they could make exemptions for heights limit, hope HP will be part of it (maybe with the help of the french government).

And maybe a member of the DGAC lives in the Damiers
Wait and see, the HP soap opera is not over...
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Old January 7th, 2011, 05:53 PM   #488
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I tought the "official" height always were counted from the main entrance level untill the tallest architectural element(spire/roof)?
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Old January 7th, 2011, 07:54 PM   #489
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1. Jex7844 pas de coups sous la ceinture, si tu as un problème avec Cyril règle le par PM!.
Ce n'est pas le genre de problème qui peut se régler par PM. Ni toi ni Jan n'êtes intervenu alors que beaucoup de forumeurs vous ont contacté pour intervenir. Résultat vous avez laissé pourrir la situation dans le forum francophone au point où elle en est arrivée aujourd'hui (plusieurs contributeurs importants bannis à vie, d'autres contributeurs qui boycottent désormais le forum, ambiance exécrable, forum l'un des moins fréquentés de SSC).
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Old January 7th, 2011, 07:57 PM   #490
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For Airport security traffic, laws can be changed even outside banana republics (the Las Vegas 500m tower canceled because of FAA is an exemple).
The FAA has a jurisdiction that the French aviation authority does no possess. So the two situations are not comparable.
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Old January 7th, 2011, 08:55 PM   #491
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Ce n'est pas le genre de problème qui peut se régler par PM. Ni toi ni Jan n'êtes intervenu alors que beaucoup de forumeurs vous ont contacté pour intervenir. Résultat vous avez laissé pourrir la situation dans le forum francophone au point où elle en est arrivée aujourd'hui (plusieurs contributeurs importants bannis à vie, d'autres contributeurs qui boycottent désormais le forum, ambiance exécrable, forum l'un des moins fréquentés de SSC).
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Old January 7th, 2011, 10:34 PM   #492
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Interrogée par Le Parisien, la DGAC explique qu'elle n'a pas à se prononcer pour l'heure sur le projet Hermitage. Mais l'avis favorable pour la tour Phare signé en juin 2010, par Patrick Gandil le directeur de la DGAC émettait cependant une réserve: "S'il doit être possible de poursuive l'utilisation de l'actuel dispositif aérien, malgré l'érection de la tour Phare, compte tenu du caractère isolé de cette tour, tel ne serait plus le cas si plusieurs édifices de hauteur supérieure à 304 mètres NGF venaient à être édifiés dans la zone de La Défense" propos de Patrick Gandil rapportés dans le journal du Parisien. Pour Patrick Gandil cependant "une concentration de tours, rendrait inévitable une diminution significative de la capacité des aéroports de Roissy Charles de Gaulle et du Bourget".
http://www.defense-92.fr/lesnewsdeladefense.html

It seems that our next height restriction in LD will be 304m NGF because of airports trafic...
Hope Hermitage Plazza will not be concerned.
Anyway, for future towers, supertalls are over... (304m NGF is around 250-270m depends of the LD sector).
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Old January 7th, 2011, 11:47 PM   #493
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No, he only indicated that a limitation of the number of planes landing at CDG and Le Bourget is inevitable. Given that La Défense is concerned only by Le Bourget, that means the number of planes landing at Le Bourget will have to diminish. In my opinion that's not a bad thing. Le Bourget should be closed altogether.
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Old January 8th, 2011, 08:05 AM   #494
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Donc on ne peut pas construire de superstructures en région parisienne à cause du traffic aérien ?
Sérieusement, ça pue du cul. Y'a pas d'autres mots. Vive la France.
De toute façon, toute le monde sait très bien que le projet Hermitage débouchera sur une tour unique de 283 mètres, faisant de cette horrible tour Phare ( bah oui 1 million de croquis pour finir sur ça... ) l'attraction ridicule de la Défense.
Moi j'aurais préféré l'US Bank Tower de LA. M'enfin faut pas trop en demander hein, on a déjà mis 5 ans à relooker Axa ( je le concède ce fut un chantier immense et une entreprise unique au monde ), alors on va pas être trop gourmand. Sous peine de mourir avec notre bonne vieille Miss First...
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Old January 8th, 2011, 01:53 PM   #495
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Vous vous inquiétez pour rien. Si le projet Hermitage était celui d'un promoteur français, effectivement je m'inquiéterais. Mais là c'est des Russes, ils iront jusqu'au bout. Surtout que Poutine en a fait un symbole. La seule chose qui pourrait faire dérailler le projet c'est une victoire de la gauche en 2012 si la construction n'a pas encore démarré à cette date.
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Old January 8th, 2011, 06:21 PM   #496
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Paris should build something over 500m.
they shouldnt then you can see that building from everywhere it will tower above some historic places a -350m tower is oke
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Old January 8th, 2011, 06:24 PM   #497
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Ce n'est pas le genre de problème qui peut se régler par PM. Ni toi ni Jan n'êtes intervenu alors que beaucoup de forumeurs vous ont contacté pour intervenir. Résultat vous avez laissé pourrir la situation dans le forum francophone au point où elle en est arrivée aujourd'hui (plusieurs contributeurs importants bannis à vie, d'autres contributeurs qui boycottent désormais le forum, ambiance exécrable, forum l'un des moins fréquentés de SSC).
Vous voulez que je ferme ce thread ou quoi? Non? Bon silence alors et de retour au sujet.
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Old January 8th, 2011, 06:31 PM   #498
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Cyril please! As a moderator you must be responsible for your words .

About the limitation, Paris is not alone in this case in europe, Do some others countries has in the past to reduce some projects due to airlines?
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Old January 10th, 2011, 06:56 PM   #499
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Only place where it seems to really make sense seems to be Canary Wharf because of London City Airport.
LD being an obstacle to CDG or Orly? Give us a break!
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Old January 10th, 2011, 11:40 PM   #500
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in london i saw a boeing passed just above excel centre! i don't understand the stupidity that guides parisian politic?!
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