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Old January 11th, 2011, 01:30 AM   #501
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Can someone give me a summary about the towers? What is going on? Dont tell me that they are going to reduce the height?
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Old January 11th, 2011, 01:37 AM   #502
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Reminds me of his WTC proposal, looks good.
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Old January 11th, 2011, 04:27 AM   #503
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in london i saw a boeing passed just above excel centre! i don't understand the stupidity that guides parisian politic?!
In London both the London Bridge Tower AND Pinnacle have been reduced because of Civil Aviation Authority!!! London Bridge Tower was going to be 1100ft or around that, Pinnacle was going to be 1008ft - both have been reduced to 1017ft and 944ft respectively.

I HATE this situation. Canary Wharf's a joke in height terms given it was supposed to be a free business district to build what you want. 1 Canada Square in Canary Wharf is 771ft but it was going to be 900 ft originally. London has these issues much worse than Paris, so don't get too worked up over there!!
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Old January 11th, 2011, 10:41 AM   #504
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Cool to read that kind of information.
A lot of french forumers never stop bashing about the problems to buit towers in France (it's very boring, always the same song every days) implying that it happens only in France . For most of them it seems to be possible to do anything in the world but in France...

I call that the Caliméro syndrôme
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Old January 11th, 2011, 03:05 PM   #505
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Can someone give me a summary about the towers? What is going on? Dont tell me that they are going to reduce the height?
- the La Défense Authority signed an agreement last June with the Hermitage developer to cede La Défense's public land and infrastructures to the developer to build the towers, in presence of presidents Sarkozy and Medvedev
- two of the three demolition permits to clear the site for the Hermitage Towers were issued by the public authorities last Autumn
- a formal application for a building permit was filed by the Hermitage developer in October with 2 vans of documents. The building permit should be issued in the Spring.
- the commercial space in the future Hermitage Towers has already been approved by the public authorities (approval given last November)
- a lawsuit by some local Left parties was filed against last June's agreement between La Défense Authority and Hermitage. Little chance of success given the weak basis on which this lawsuit is founded.
- the 700 million euros financial agreement with the banks has been sealed and should be announced shortly
- construction is now scheduled to start in September or October of this year. The Hermitage developer indicated that they will start construction even if there are some lawsuits still pending.

Regarding the height of the towers, the height hasn't been reduced. In fact it's the opposite: we have discovered, based on detailed architect's plans, that the height of the towers will be 337 meters above the ground. The 323 meters height that was announced is from an elevated concrete slab to be built above the ground, and the reason why they chose to make public that 323 meters height is to avoid a controversy with the height of the Eiffel Tower (324 meters).

The Hermitage Towers lie just outside of the zone where heights are limited due to flight corridors, so legally the aviation authorities cannot ask them to reduce the height.
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Old January 12th, 2011, 01:43 AM   #506
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Cool to read that kind of information.
A lot of french forumers never stop bashing about the problems to buit towers in France (it's very boring, always the same song every days) implying that it happens only in France . For most of them it seems to be possible to do anything in the world but in France...

I call that the Caliméro syndrôme
In London most are positive but I know what you mean. London could never have anything as tall as Tour Hermitage because the Civil Aviation Authority won't allow ANY buildings to go much above London Bridge Tower AOD.

So...London's tallest building will forever be London Bridge Tower. We have reached our limit in London and can never build anything taller where as in Paris, you can so I don't see why any of the Paris forumers would complain as you suggest! You have a much better deal over there with skyscrapers both being built and approved in the future!!
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Old January 12th, 2011, 10:20 AM   #507
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London's tallest building will forever be London Bridge Tower. We have reached our limit in London and can never build anything taller where as in Paris
For the moment I prefert staying prudent : Hermitage Plazza is not in construction, anything still can happen (our french Civil Aviation Authority still not have approved the Hermitage tower height).
Its' proved that HP is not in the height limit sector for planes but very very near (like some meters...). French Civil Aviation Authority could make problems...
So wait and see for us...
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Old January 12th, 2011, 12:43 PM   #508
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I guest this is the thread where people come to cry. Look high isn't everything. Then again I'm from NYC, so I'm a little jaded. Sorry as you were.
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Old January 12th, 2011, 02:42 PM   #509
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our french Civil Aviation Authority still not have approved the Hermitage tower height
They don't have to approve it. They only express an opinion.
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Old January 14th, 2011, 02:01 AM   #510
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I guest this is the thread where people come to cry. Look high isn't everything. Then again I'm from NYC, so I'm a little jaded. Sorry as you were.
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Old January 14th, 2011, 03:02 AM   #511
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Paris should build something over 500m.
Should ?????

In the name of what ??
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In the name of city fashion.
Every people should have an Ipad.
Every big city should have an over 500m tower...
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Old January 14th, 2011, 03:23 PM   #513
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Every forumer should be cynical and jaded. It looks cool.
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Old January 14th, 2011, 07:21 PM   #514
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absolutely.. it looks sooo Parisien !
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I can understand than Paris needs some supertalls around 300m for La Defense CBD (and Hermitage is doing the job, hope so) but honestly I don't think there is a place for a 500m+ project not economically viable in Paris. Even Hong-Kong, Chicago and NY (WT1 without the artificial spire) don't have a real 500m+ tower (but these cities still have the best skylines anyway).
The only places for that kind of towers (500m+) is emerging countries like China, India and maybe Russia (or petrodollars country of the middle est gulf). They still can waste money for that.
That's not a question of being cynical and jaded, that's just common sense...
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Old January 15th, 2011, 12:24 AM   #516
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I can understand than Paris needs some supertalls around 300m for La Defense CBD (and Hermitage is doing the job, hope so) but honestly I don't think there is a place for a 500m+ project not economically viable. Even Hong-Kong, Chicago and NY (WT1 without the artificial spire) don't have a real 500m+ tower (but these cities still have the best skylines).
The only places for that kind of towers is emerging countries like China, India and maybe Russia (or petrodollars country of the middle est gulf).
That's not a question of being cynical and jaded, that's just common sense...
and your on a skyscraper forum because???
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I'm more interested by tower architecture than only height for height, sorry for that.
Anyway, go back to the Hermitage towers, maybe not a 500m towers but still interesting.
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and your on a skyscraper forum because???

Because this sprawling forum, is much much more than "my tower is taller than yours".... To me (I know, you didn't ask me to answer..but), it's more an architecture forum than anything else.. And I have to confess that I don't care about the height of buildings...

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and your on a skyscraper forum because???
Ah, it's a question I've often asked on the French forum! For the French forumers it's "trendy" to pretend not to care about height.
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Enough with the bickering ladies!
Size maters but it's not all; how many times do you know to hear it before you believe it
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