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Midwest Diva
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota, United States
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Whatever the case may be right now, Asian carp are going to find their way to all the major waterways in North America. There's simply no way to stop them.
Has it ever occurred to anyone how freshwater fish wound up in completely isolated lakes? Birds and other animals carry them in via eggs. It's unavoidable. They will all inevitably end up in the Great Lakes. Asia sure has its fair share of devastating pests. First it was Eurasian Milfoil, then the Emerald Ash Borer, and now this jumping devil carp. You know it's something terrible if a Minnesota winter can't kill it.
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Join Date: Jan 2007
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Your forgetting about the Goby as well......
From what I have heard the carp were in farm ponds near the mississippi river and when the river flooded the carp got into its waters and moved north towards the great lakes |
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My Mind Has Left My Body
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I claim to be staff.
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Amazingly well-designed website describing in great detail the problems facing the Great Lakes - http://waterlife.nfb.ca/
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Carp Solution Could Provide Financial Benefits
Chicago News Cooperative
Carp Solution Could Provide Financial Benefits By DAVID GREISING and DANIEL LIBIT Published: March 5, 2010 Proposals to block Asian carp from invading the Great Lakes have largely focused on the costs and inconvenience of closing off Chicago-area waterways into Lake Michigan. But now business and environmental groups are exploring a possible upside: a broadly based infrastructure investment that would benefit much of northern Illinois. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/us/07cncimpact.html |
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So does anyone have an opinoin on this. Do you think that the Great Lakes should be used for wind power? Does it matter if the wind farms are near urban areas or not?
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Voice of Reason (usually)
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Milwaukee, WI
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I don't see it being a problem, especially if they arn't that visible. The only issue I see is that the Lake is a shared resource, so if a city wants to benefit from the lake they should share the benefits that they are extracting as well. It should be more of a coalition of cities and states that do a project like this.
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facist lord of the cosmos
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breaking news from the chicago tribune. this is great news for chicago!
Supreme Court steers clear of Asian carp dispute April 26, 2010 10:32 AM LANSING, Mich. -- The U.S. Supreme Court decided today not to get involved in a dispute over how to prevent invasive Asian carp from making their way into the Great Lakes. The justices turned down a new request from Michigan to consider ordering closure of Chicago-area shipping locks to prevent the fish from threatening the Great Lakes. The locks could provide a pathway to Lake Michigan for the unwanted carp. The court had previously declined twice to order the locks closed on an emergency basis while it considered whether to hear the case. This time, the court rejected a proposal by Michigan and six other states to use a long-standing case involving water diversion from Lake Michigan as a vehicle for seeking to permanently sever a man-made linkage between the Great Lakes and the Mississippi River basin. full article: http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2...eaking+News%29
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Voice of Reason (usually)
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Great news for Chicago... potentially horrible news for the rest of the great lakes.
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facist lord of the cosmos
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^ not really, despite the hysteric fear-mongering, the asian carp will never thrive in the lakes. these are primarily river fish and they are not accustomed to living in cold deep water lakes. sure, they will live in the lakes, most likely in shallower shore areas and use the lakes to get to other rivers and tributaries in the great lakes basin, but the wholesale destruction of the lakes' ecosystem alarmist tripe being put forth by mike cox is not based on any science. regular carp have lived in the lakes for decades now, did they usher in wholesale destruction of the great lakes?
don't believe the hype. and anyone who is in favor of shutting down chicago's locks to prevent invasive species from entering from the mississppi basin MUST also advocate for the closure of the st. lawrence seaway and welland canal and their connections to to oceanic shipping if they want to have any shred of intellectual honesty about this issue. FAR more invasive species have entered the lakes from that route than through the chicago sanitary and ship canal, and yet michigan and the other great lakes states, who all enjoy the economic benefits of oceanic shipping from the welland canal and st. lawrence seaway, all want to demonize and single out chicago for punishment. hypocrisy!
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Voice of Reason (usually)
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Wow... disbelief, shock, anger, hoplessness. Those are the emotions I felt reading that article. I can hardly belief the things that the opponents were saying. Seriously... who in their right mind can say things like they were saying with a straight face?
I would have a lot more respect for them if they just said, "This will cost a lot of money that we can't afford" instead of making excuses and outright saying they don't care and will do what they want. Why Chicago has been getting away with this for so long is beyond me. There are hundreds of miles of rivers and people that are affected by this. What's even worse, is Milwaukee gets ragged on for dumping partially treated wastewater (that is disinfected) into lake Michigan far less then Chicago dumps into the river (and lake apparently. I didn't even know about that) and yet Milwaukee gets a bad rap. I'm not eco warrior, I question man-made global warming, but I'm a rational person. If these issues are actually tackled in an intelligent way, and over time so it's not too expensive, then it can be done! |
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The cost to restore ALL of the nation's waterways to a state safe for human use is minimal compared to the cost of wars and tax cuts and bank bailouts. This country can afford to do a lot of things, if it spent it's money correctly.
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The Great Lakes are a precious resource, we have the LARGEST body of FRESHWATER in the world, we need to take better care of these lakes so that our descendants can take care of them and live off of them.
The Great Lakes should be so clean that we can drink directly from the shore!
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Voice of Reason (usually)
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My Mind Has Left My Body
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-young middle-class lad or lass who feels elated by thinking that he or she has covered all aspects of politics and religion with the help of a few lectures by a certified conspiracy crank or by watching a straight-to-YouTube ‘documentary’. - Nadeem F. Paracha Its the buddhist in you, it's the pagan in me. Its the muslim in him, she's catholic aint she? Its the born again look it's the wasp and the jew Tell me what's goin on, I aint gotta clue - Jimmy Buffett |
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facist lord of the cosmos
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^ and i think kirk just officially earned my vote. i was leaning towards him anyway because i think we're all a little fed up with illinois democrats by now, and also because kirk is what i call a "normal republican", ie. he's not some backwards batshit-crazy redneck fundie-nutjob retard like palin and her ilk. and throw in all the controversy with the giannoulias' family banks, and now his unfathomable support for reversing the flow of the river again, well, he's gone off the deep end.
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http://toledoblade.com/article/20100715/NEWS16/7150346
Indiana moves to block Asian carp from Maumee Thanks Indiana, for helping keep this nuisance out of the waterway that I play in! |
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