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Old January 15th, 2009, 01:51 PM   #261
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Most of english stadiums have the same problems, which make them not meet the latest FIFA requirements.

Old Trafford is a well known stadium but the field is to close to the stands and what's worse is that the player tunnel isn't in the middle of the stands. Tehy need to cut the stands to meet the distance requirements but that decreases the capacityand the first row wont be on the ground level.

New Anfield will have too short rows of seating of 78cms averagely and the kop 75cms, while FIFA requires at least 80cms. The first rows are going to be below the ground level, if you put ad boards their you be able to see the lines. so if the balls crosses the line you wont know if its a goal or not.

new stadium like emirates have problems too. The distance is okay but again those sight line problems would make them fail to host.

these are typical english stadium problems, too close and too low. if they want to host then they need totally new stadiums. well, that's what i think.
i believe you guys have read the latest FIFA requirements for WC stadiums, so just think about it.


If FIFA don't think the stadiums which host arguably the world's best football league week in week out are good enough (some of them would need upgrades, granted), then they've finally lost it.

Old Trafford hosted a CL final a few years ago; it's fine. Emirates will no doubt soon host a UEFA Cup final; it's fine. New Anfield will be one of the best new stadiums in Europe when finished; FIFA won't let two centimetres blind them to that fact; it will be fine.

Can we stop with the ridiculous notion that things like rows two centimetres out from FIFA regulations, or not quite enough space around the stadiums, or stands a bit too close to the pitch are going to scupper England's chances please? It's ridiculous. Though not quite as ridiculous as the suggestion that England would need "totally new stadiums" to host. Perlease!
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Old January 15th, 2009, 03:46 PM   #262
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I don't think the stadia will be an issue. With the necessary upgrades and modifications, requirements should not be a problem.

If there are serious technical issues regarding sight lines FIFA will simply scrap the stadium.
They have done this before.
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Old January 16th, 2009, 12:33 AM   #263
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Most of english stadiums have the same problems, which make them not meet the latest FIFA requirements.

Old Trafford is a well known stadium but the field is to close to the stands and what's worse is that the player tunnel isn't in the middle of the stands. Tehy need to cut the stands to meet the distance requirements but that decreases the capacityand the first row wont be on the ground level.

New Anfield will have too short rows of seating of 78cms averagely and the kop 75cms, while FIFA requires at least 80cms. The first rows are going to be below the ground level, if you put ad boards their you be able to see the lines. so if the balls crosses the line you wont know if its a goal or not.

new stadium like emirates have problems too. The distance is okay but again those sight line problems would make them fail to host.

these are typical english stadium problems, too close and too low. if they want to host then they need totally new stadiums. well, that's what i think.
i believe you guys have read the latest FIFA requirements for WC stadiums, so just think about it.
We know about these regulations. However, it will be the FIFA that has to change its regulation because the player tunnel at Old Trafford won't move. The UEFA has no problems with eccentric player tunnel. So why should the FIFA.

Same could be said about seat close to the pitch. Crowds close to the pitch is eye-catching and looks extremely good on TV. Yet again, it's FIFA which should change their regulations and leave security concerns to the local authorities.

And don't get me started about sight lines. Everyone who complains about sight in a football ground is no football fan and can fvck right off.
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Old January 29th, 2009, 06:31 PM   #264
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Wembley the Final choice

UEFA has today confirmed that Wembley Stadium will be the host of the 2011 UEFA Champions League Final.

The decision was announced in the press conference that followed UEFA's first Executive Committee meeting of 2009 in Switzerland today.

Wembley Stadium fought off tough competition from Germany in the shape of the Allianz Arena in Munich and Olympiastadion in Berlin.

The Final returns to the UK for the first time since 2003 when AC Milan defeated Juventus at Old Trafford, and to Wembley Stadium for the first time since 1992, when Barcelona beat Sampdoria in the European Cup Final during the season before the competition became the Champions League.

The FA’s Chairman Lord Triesman said: “We are delighted that UEFA have chosen Wembley Stadium to stage the Champions League Final in 2011. This is fantastic news for London and the UK and is acknowledgment of Wembley’s ranking alongside the very best football stadiums in the world. Wembley is a stadium for the big games and has a unique history that is sure to inspire Europe’s finest players.

"As Wembley has been chosen to host the Champions League Final this means the Emirates Stadium can't stage the 2011 UEFA Europa League Final. I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone at Arsenal for all their valuable support during the bid process and recognise the very strong bid that they put together.”

Mayor of London Boris Johnson said of the announcement: "It is splendid news that London is to host the UEFA Champions League Final in 2011. There is a huge sense of excitement and passion in London for sports and indeed for the 'beautiful game' of football. London is delighted to have been successful in the bid to host the 2011 Final and Wembley is a suitably dramatic and superb backdrop for the event."

Roger Maslin, Acting MD of Wembley Stadium said: “It is an honour that Wembley Stadium has been chosen to host the 2011 Champions League Final. The old stadium staged some of the most important games in football history, including five European Cup Finals. Wembley is a world class stadium and will be the perfect stage for the Champions League Final. We look forward to working with UEFA to deliver a superb Final at Wembley Stadium in 2011.”

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Old January 29th, 2009, 10:00 PM   #265
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Old February 6th, 2009, 10:18 PM   #266
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It would leave a bad taste in the mouth if the FIFA lifts it's regulation for one country while it keeps bullying other hosts with ridiculous requirements. I spotted not a single NFL venue that has its player tunnel on the halfway line. I wonder if that has to be changed as it had in Kaiserslautern for the 2006 World Cup.
That'd rule out Old Trafford from our bid! I can't see them altering this; it would mean completely changing the layout of the stadium!!



No, some compromise must be made on certain issues. No bids will meet all FIFA stadium criteria.
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Old February 6th, 2009, 10:48 PM   #267
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I was talking about the tunnel position sercan.
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Old February 6th, 2009, 11:19 PM   #268
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Ha ok.
Didn't know that the player tunnel has to be in the middle of the main stand.


Yes. The main stand (VIP and media) must have a roof
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Old February 7th, 2009, 12:14 AM   #269
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The Velodrome's tunnel isn't in the main stand.

http://www.wikimapia.org/#lat=43.269...spny=0.002&m=h

It hosted a semi final.
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Old February 7th, 2009, 12:47 AM   #270
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That'd rule out Old Trafford from our bid! I can't see them altering this; it would mean completely changing the layout of the stadium!!

No, some compromise must be made on certain issues. No bids will meet all FIFA stadium criteria.
It certainly would. But the FIFA can't make compromises now when they pushed through these regulations in the past, can they. How are they supposed to tell previous hosts who were forced to fulfil even the most ridiculous demands at any cost that the FIFA are now willing to bend their own rules.
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Old February 7th, 2009, 12:50 AM   #271
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Old Trafford isn't being rebuilt because of the tunnel....trust me. FIFA will have to compromise if they pick England.

It's far, far, far less of a compromise than allowing countries to still use stadiums with athletics tracks in my not so humble opinion.
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Can't they built a tunnel in the middle of the main stand?

FIFA is very strict. Nürnberg had just added new seats but FIFA said that the back of the seats were too small
So they had to buy new seats

Old ones
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http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/G...nstadion17.jpg

New one
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/G...ion/HTUR03.JPG
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/G...ion/HTUR01.JPG
http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/G...dion/HTORS.JPG

Just because of some centimeters
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Can't they built a tunnel in the middle of the main stand?
To where? The lockers are in a different part of the building. More importantly, why? Just because of tradition? I'd say Old Trafford has more tradition than FIFA, tunnel location be damned.


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Just because of some centimeters
That's more than a few centimeters, probably closer to several inches. Old chairs hardly had any backs. Most importantly, the new seats have the folding feature required for safety reasons in navigating the row.
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IMO this is the reason
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The point where the players and the referees enter the playing area must be protected
by means of a fireproof telescopic tunnel. This should be at the halfway line and on
the same side as the VIP box, press stand and administrative offices
. The telescopic
tunnel should extend into the playing area far enough to prevent the risk of injury to
the match participants caused by objects thrown by spectators. Such telescopic tunnels
should be capable of being extended or closed quickly so that they may be used during
the match when a player is entering or leaving the field, without causing a lengthy
viewing obstruction.
Alternatively, the entry to the playing area may be by means of an underground tunnel,
the mouth of which is situated a safe distance from spectators. The surfaces of the
corridors and the stairs must be made of, or covered by, a non-slip material. There
should be no possibility of public interference in these corridors or security tunnels.
More show than security etc
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Yes, but there's no way the main stand will be ripped up at Old Trafford to comply with this just for TV reasons.
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I agree there is no way they would remodel the main stand just to move the tunnel for TV purposes. However if Man U expanded that stand then maybe then it could be moved. But I would have thought the reason the tunnel is at that side of the ground is because the locker rooms are that end.
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If the South Stand of Old Trafford is redevolped(pretty likey by 2018 given how they've expanded so far) then it would likey become the new TV/VIP area and could have a central tunnel.
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What do people think could be the possible reasons for England losing this bid?
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The "this is world cup is ours" and "there is no way we can lose" mentality prevalent among a lot of Englanders.
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The "this is world cup is ours" and "there is no way we can lose" mentality prevalent among a lot of Englanders.
well we've waited long enough, longer than most countries
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