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Old March 1st, 2009, 03:59 PM   #541
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One thing that nobody's mentioned yet is that Wembley and Twickenham are only 12 km apart - have any two FIFA World Cup venues been closer to each other?
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Parc des Princes and Stad de France is 12km
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Parc des Princes and Stad de France is 12km
The two Jo'burg stadiums for 2010 are less than 9km apart.
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its not about whether they are close but it has more to do with not "overusing a venue". giving it time to prepare, recover etc.

you simply can't host matches every single day at a venue for 30 days
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I don't think FIFA's concern for its sponsors that pump in prob closer to 5 billion dollars for 2018 should be considered an "interference".
That is what is wrong with modern football.
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That is what is wrong with modern football.
Exactly my thoughts Wolds.
The game shouldn't even be concerning itself with sponsorship money. I'd be interested to know how much sponsorship was involved with the first world cup. It isn't what it should be about, and certainly not to the extent where it dictates proceedings.
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Exactly my thoughts Wolds.
The game shouldn't even be concerning itself with sponsorship money. I'd be interested to know how much sponsorship was involved with the first world cup. It isn't what it should be about, and certainly not to the extent where it dictates proceedings.
That goes for just about every element of modern society - but it's the way it is.
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I don't think FIFA's concern for its sponsors that pump in prob closer to 5 billion dollars for 2018 should be considered an "interference".

The only reason I'm saying what I say is so that people don't get their hopes up for a football realm type tournament when thats not how things work.
Its venue vs. venue according to what FIFA needs to host a world cup.
A venue having some football history would be a plus but not really an essential.

I still think the Millenium Stadium and Hampden Park arent impossible. The main reasons FIFA dislikes jointed hosts are IMHO having to find an extra qualification spot and the potential for political disagreement, the first wouldnt be a problem is they didnt get auto spots and the second would be alot less likey. The fact there within the same nation also makes examples like say the Germans giving the dutch or the poles one venue meaningless, of course the main host who'se covered most of the costs isnt going to give up one of the venues to another nation. Infact that arguement is exactly why I could see them being used, just as with the olympics welsh and scottish taxpayer money will be used to fund then event so they'll want to share in some of the benefits.
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A venue having some football history would be a plus but not really an essential.

I still think the Millenium Stadium and Hampden Park arent impossible. The main reasons FIFA dislikes jointed hosts are IMHO having to find an extra qualification spot and the potential for political disagreement, the first wouldnt be a problem is they didnt get auto spots and the second would be alot less likey. The fact there within the same nation also makes examples like say the Germans giving the dutch or the poles one venue meaningless, of course the main host who'se covered most of the costs isnt going to give up one of the venues to another nation. Infact that arguement is exactly why I could see them being used, just as with the olympics welsh and scottish taxpayer money will be used to fund then event so they'll want to share in some of the benefits.
So far as FIFA is concerned they are NOT in the same nation. It's not complicated.

... And don't get me started on the use of tax-payers money. Let's not forget that Scottish taxes are spent by the Scottish parliament, Welsh taxes by the Welsh, Irish by the Irish, but English by the British (thus spent on national projects including Wales, Scotland and Ireland)!
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A venue having some football history would be a plus but not really an essential.

I still think the Millenium Stadium and Hampden Park arent impossible. The main reasons FIFA dislikes jointed hosts are IMHO having to find an extra qualification spot and the potential for political disagreement, the first wouldnt be a problem is they didnt get auto spots and the second would be alot less likey. The fact there within the same nation also makes examples like say the Germans giving the dutch or the poles one venue meaningless, of course the main host who'se covered most of the costs isnt going to give up one of the venues to another nation. Infact that arguement is exactly why I could see them being used, just as with the olympics welsh and scottish taxpayer money will be used to fund then event so they'll want to share in some of the benefits.
Sorry, but could't disagree more with this.
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Old March 2nd, 2009, 06:36 PM   #551
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A venue having some football history would be a plus but not really an essential.

I still think the Millenium Stadium and Hampden Park arent impossible. The main reasons FIFA dislikes jointed hosts are IMHO having to find an extra qualification spot and the potential for political disagreement, the first wouldnt be a problem is they didnt get auto spots and the second would be alot less likey. The fact there within the same nation also makes examples like say the Germans giving the dutch or the poles one venue meaningless, of course the main host who'se covered most of the costs isnt going to give up one of the venues to another nation. Infact that arguement is exactly why I could see them being used, just as with the olympics welsh and scottish taxpayer money will be used to fund then event so they'll want to share in some of the benefits.
1. Having stadiums with history IS essential. This is the ENGLISH world cup bid so lets not play in 12+ stadiums what could be anywhere in the world.

2. Scotland and Wales = out of picture, not England.

3. Rest of argument is rubbish.
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Old March 2nd, 2009, 07:33 PM   #552
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1. Having stadiums with history IS essential. This is the ENGLISH world cup bid so lets not play in 12+ stadiums what could be anywhere in the world.
Its not essential at all, it may be preffered but its not the end of the world if it has no history. And i agree with Mo Rush that a Venue if good enough is a venue and doesn't matter if it isn't always used for football.
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Old March 2nd, 2009, 07:41 PM   #553
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There is a big difference between "isn't always used for football" and "has never hosted a football match in its history".

Footballing history may not be essential but it is something we have which bids from the likes of the US and Australia won't have. The appeal of a world cup in Premier League (and some football league) stadiums is strong and I don't want to see that diluted.
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Old March 3rd, 2009, 01:11 AM   #554
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If you look at satellite images of White Hart Lane, Emirate and Twickers, it becomes pretty obvious which venue FIFA would be most interested in.
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Old March 3rd, 2009, 01:41 AM   #555
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the emirates is the ebst located in terms of transport links, but it's probably too urban for the FIFA circus. White hart lane has poor transport links in comparison, and twickenham is in suburbia!

where do people reckon the fan parks will be in an english bid. I can imagine a massive one in hyde park and maybe regents park too
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the emirates is the ebst located in terms of transport links, but it's probably too urban for the FIFA circus. White hart lane has poor transport links in comparison, and twickenham is in suburbia!

where do people reckon the fan parks will be in an english bid. I can imagine a massive one in hyde park and maybe regents park too
FIFA's biggest concern is the tented village for their commercial partners. I can't see where this could be done for WHL or Emirates (or Wembley to be honest), but for Twickers it's quite obvious. I suppose neighbouring properties could be purchased & demolished, an area set aside for FIFA's village during the finals, then major construction afterward to create further high-density commercial or residential property after the finals.

Fan parks - I'd suspect that we'll get a lot of them. They were brilliant in Germany but some were in awful locations. The best we experienced was in Nurenburg, althoug the Berlin mile was pretty cool.
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FIFA's biggest concern is the tented village for their commercial partners.
Can one sentence sum up better the worst aspects of the modern game?
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Can one sentence sum up better the worst aspects of the modern game?
Probably not - but there you go.
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Old March 3rd, 2009, 05:00 PM   #559
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I don't see the issue. These horrible awful sponsors will contribute close to $5 billion for a world cup in 2018. Is it too much to ask for the sponsors to have a tented area with some parking? for the media to have a decent temporary media centre? a waiting area for volunteers? a reasonable area for a medium size transport mall?

A FIFA World Cup is so much more than football.
Yes, FIFA have ridiculous demands in some areas but most requirements are extensions of what is required for other major sports events.
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Yes it is
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