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Old August 28th, 2005, 05:29 AM   #41
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Again 1966!!!!

Damn, I will be too old by 2018. That just makes me feel like dirt.
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Old August 28th, 2005, 05:57 AM   #42
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yeah i do tend to make things a bit long...
I didn't mean to be sarky.

So do rugby or football games pull in better crowds in SA?
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Old August 28th, 2005, 08:43 AM   #43
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1. many 2002 venues were completely demolished
2. some are still in use but barely
3. some are really struggling and the construction of 20 venues in the first place should not have been allowed by FIFA
4. germany are to use 12 venues i think and south africa cut it down officially from 13 to ten, allowing for more profits and in effect larger crowds...
Did they make a profit?
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Old August 28th, 2005, 11:23 AM   #44
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I don't believe any of the Japanese venue's have actually been demolised. I doubt Japan turned a profit if the $4.5 billion cost of the 10 stadia I'v heard is correct but they don't seem to be complete white elephants as J league games regularly pull in 20,000-30,000 these days with Urawa Reds often getting over 50,000
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Old August 28th, 2005, 03:05 PM   #45
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I don't believe any of the Japanese venue's have actually been demolised. I doubt Japan turned a profit if the $4.5 billion cost of the 10 stadia I'v heard is correct but they don't seem to be complete white elephants as J league games regularly pull in 20,000-30,000 these days with Urawa Reds often getting over 50,000
perhaps the venues that were demolished were korean venues.but some were demolished.
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Old August 28th, 2005, 03:10 PM   #46
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Japan built alot of new stadiums for the last world cup didn't they?? I wonder if they are being used regularly now, and hope they haven't become white elephants.
They're hoping to use a number of them in the 2011 Rugby World Cup...
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Old August 28th, 2005, 04:00 PM   #47
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perhaps the venues that were demolished were korean venues.but some were demolished.
I'm pretty sure that none of them in either korea or Japan has been demolished. Perhaps one or more of them had temporary stands that were taken down after the WC? The Jeju Stadium looks like the the second level on the open side may have been temporary although I can't find any info on it.

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Old August 28th, 2005, 04:06 PM   #48
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Building starts for 2010 SWC
02/11/2004 21:41 - (SA)

Marjolein van der Stad

Johannesburg - Construction on the various stadiums to be used in the Soccer World Cup tournament in 2010 will begin in May.

This was said by Danny Jordaan, CEO of the South African Football Association at a conference of the South African Property Owners Association.

Jordaan says the rugby stadiums will be improved by the rugby authorities in South Africa, while the other stadiums will probably be built and improved by the various local authorities.

Jordaan said: "It is important that construction begins as soon as possible to create job opportunities brought about by securing the WC tournament. The provisional organising committee has already established that the stadiums should be completed by December 2007."

He said the tournament should leave a legacy.

"The 2010 tournament should not mean the end, but a new beginning for South Africa," Jordaan said.

Several of the stadiums built for the WC tournament in South Korea and Japan were demolished a while ago, after they became white elephants as they were not used or maintained.

"We do not want that to happen in South Africa. The infrastructure and use of stadiums after the tournament are important," Jordaan said.

Create job opportunities for South Africans

The organising committee will conduct an audit of every city that wants to host a match in the tournament.

"We will look at matches in the first round followed by the quarter, semi-final and final rounds, which will create different needs of a city. The infra-structure is important, because a city with a small airport cannot handle 30 000 spectators," Jordaan said.

The FNB stadium, which belongs to Safa, will be upgraded at a cost of R300m and will probably host the opening and closing ceremonies.

Sheryl Ozinksy, tourism consultant, says the legacy of the tournament will be tourism, which will create job opportunities for South Africans.

"The Olympic Games in Sydney and Athens showed the greatest advantage of such a large tournament is that you market your country on a large scale.

"Greece improved its image overseas and South Africa must use this opportunity to improve the negative image overseas countries have of Africa," Ozinsky said.

Francois Pienaar, CEO of the 2011 rugby bid company and former Springbok rugby captain, said rugby could continue the legacy of the SWC tournament.

Pienaar said: "Rugby and soccer authorities are co-operating well. Seven of the stadiums to be considered for the SWC tournament are rugby stadiums. Now that soccer has ensured the World Cup tournament, rugby can continue the initiative."
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Old August 28th, 2005, 04:28 PM   #49
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Several of the stadiums built for the WC tournament in South Korea and Japan were demolished a while ago, after they became white elephants as they were not used or maintained.
Anything more definate than that as I can't find any refference to it elsewhere. I find it very hard to believe that even a white eleplanht stadium would be demolished or fall into a state of disrepair where it had to be demolished within 3 years considering that they all probabley cost upwards(quite along way upwards I'd expect) of $50 million.
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Old August 28th, 2005, 04:46 PM   #50
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but it's another point if this will happen as early as 2018

2006 Europe
2010 Africa
2014 South America
2018 Europe AGAIN??? i'm not sure. whats about asia, north america, australia,...
According to Franz Beckenbauer, Europe who have more countries than other confederations, can't host only one WC envery 20 years as Oceania, North America or even South America. So,
- Europe should host WC every 12 years
- other confederation every 24 years
- Asia and Oceania would be one only confederation

The rotation for next WC should be:
- 2002: Asia or Oceania (Korea-Japan)
- 2006: Europe (Germany)
- 2010: Africa (South Africa)
- 2014: South America (Brazil: of course, it is the one only bid...)
- 2018: Europe (England, UK ?)
- 2022: North America (Canada ?)
- 2026: Asia or Oceania (Australia ?)
- 2030: Europe
- ......
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Old August 28th, 2005, 05:14 PM   #51
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According to Franz Beckenbauer, Europe who have more countries than other confederations, can't host only one WC envery 20 years as Oceania, North America or even South America. So,
- Europe should host WC every 12 years
- other confederation every 24 years
- Asia and Oceania would be one only confederation

The rotation for next WC should be:
- 2002: Asia or Oceania (Korea-Japan)
- 2006: Europe (Germany)
- 2010: Africa (South Africa)
- 2014: South America (Brazil: of course, it is the one only bid...)
- 2018: Europe (England, UK ?)
- 2022: North America (Canada ?)
- 2026: Asia or Oceania (Australia ?)
- 2030: Europe
- ......
The problem I see with that system is that North America only has two countries who can really host a WC in the US and Mexico both of which have held one since the last south american country did. I very much doubt Canada would want to build 10-12 40,000 stadiums considering they only need 4 right now two of which need baseball configerations.
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Old August 28th, 2005, 08:21 PM   #52
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The problem I see with that system is that North America only has two countries who can really host a WC in the US and Mexico both of which have held one since the last south american country did. I very much doubt Canada would want to build 10-12 40,000 stadiums considering they only need 4 right now two of which need baseball configerations.

I think I'd consider 'the americas' to be a single continent.

2002 - Asia (Japan-Korea)
2006 - Europe (Germany)
2010 - Africa (South Africa)
2014 - Americas (Brazil)
2018 - Europe (England)
2022 - Asia (China/Aus)
2026 - Africa (Morocco?)
2030 - Europe (Spain?)
2034 - Americas (Mexico/USA)

Given that Europe is the homeland of football I think it's only fair that UEFA gets it more often than Africa or Asia.
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Old August 28th, 2005, 08:43 PM   #53
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Damn, I will be 28 in 2018
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Old August 29th, 2005, 07:03 AM   #54
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I think I'd consider 'the americas' to be a single continent.

2002 - Asia (Japan-Korea)
2006 - Europe (Germany)
2010 - Africa (South Africa)
2014 - Americas (Brazil)
2018 - Europe (England)
2022 - Asia (China/Aus)
2026 - Africa (Morocco?)
2030 - Europe (Spain?)
2034 - Americas (Mexico/USA)

Given that Europe is the homeland of football I think it's only fair that UEFA gets it more often than Africa or Asia.
I think it'd be better...

06- Europe
10- Africa
14- Americas
18-Europe
22- Rest of World
26- Americas
30- Europe
34- Rest of World


How many countries in Africa/Asia besides SA, Japan and SK, can hold the WC?
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Old August 29th, 2005, 10:37 AM   #55
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I think it'd be better...

06- Europe
10- Africa
14- Americas
18-Europe
22- Rest of World
26- Americas
30- Europe
34- Rest of World


How many countries in Africa/Asia besides SA, Japan and SK, can hold the WC?
Morroco, China and Australia I guess.
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Old August 29th, 2005, 10:55 AM   #56
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Maybe it might be easier just to stage the World Cup every two years, then everyone can a go.
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Old August 29th, 2005, 12:07 PM   #57
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Maybe it might be easier just to stage the World Cup every two years, then everyone can a go.
Didnt FIFA hint at that awhile ago? I'd guess the major stumbling block would be that the european championships would have to be gotten rid of to make space for it which I doubt UEFA would be happy about.
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Old August 29th, 2005, 03:48 PM   #58
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I think Malaysia or Thailand could hold a World Cup too.
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Old August 29th, 2005, 04:05 PM   #59
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I think Malaysia or Thailand could hold a World Cup too.
Jugding by the number/size of the stadia they have now I'd say Malaysia seems the more likely of the two.
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2030 will mark 100 years from when the first World Cup was held. It's only a good way to bring it back to Uruguay. Something like this should happen:

2006 Germany
2010 South Africa
2014 Americas (Brazil)
2018 most likely Europe again
2022 Asia (China/Malaysia)
2026 Africa (Egypt/Morocco)
2030 Uruguay
2034 Europe (Portugal)
2038 Australia
2042 United States
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