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Old August 2nd, 2009, 04:07 PM   #761
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Personally I think that's a rubbish idea. They have had an incredibly turbulent board room for the last couple of years, and last season averaged 21,000 and even the derby with Sheffield United only drew 31,000. That's 8,000 empty seats for their biggest game of the season. I think they could do with renovating Hillsborough certainly, but I don't see the point of expansion without a sustained period of stability and Premiership football.

I think they should step aside and let Brammall Lane, which is in considerably better condition and already has plans to increase the capacity to around 40k to be the Sheffield stadium.
I don't.

Hillsborough is, despite aging, in ok nick and needs investment in projects what will provide revenues year round.

The old regime has gone and the boardroom is now very stable. Hillsborough currently holds 39,000, Bramall lane holds just 32k.

Expansion for the lane is conditional on sucess what is not likely to happen (uniteds current positions in finances, loan repayment and failed bids to get back to the premier league adds to all this).

If its Sheffield, its Hillsborough.
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Old August 14th, 2009, 10:46 PM   #762
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My England 2018 World Cup stadium list.

Wembley Stadium, London (Capacity 90,000)
Old Trafford, Manchester (76,000)
Stanley Park/New Anfield, Liverpool (73,000 according to LFC's website)
Emirates Stadium, London (60,000)
St. James' Park, Newcastle (52,000)
Villa Park, Birmingham (51,000 after expansion)
New Forest Stadium, Nottingham (45-50,000)
Elland Road, Leeds (40-46,000)
Hillsborough, Sheffield (40,000)
New City Stadium, Bristol (40,000)

Reserves (because all World Cup bids have back-up venues).

New Everton Stadium, Liverpool (50,000)
Stadium of Light, Sunderland (48-64,000)
City of Manchester Stadium, Manchester (48,000)
Bramall Lane, Sheffield (36-40,000)
Pride Park, Derby (33-40,000 can be expanded)

I have tried to spread the venues out as much as possible. Some (Hillsborough & Elland Road) would need some renovation work. Others (New Forest and Bristol Stadiums) would need England to host the 2018 World Cup to even get built.
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Old August 16th, 2009, 12:52 AM   #763
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Just as some ppl told me here, only one city is allowed to have 2 stadiums. London will possibly use the wembley and the emirates, but all of the other stadiums must be in different cities.
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Old August 16th, 2009, 01:19 AM   #764
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I'm hoping the second stadium in London will be Twickenham.
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Old August 16th, 2009, 01:19 AM   #765
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His list doesn't have two stadiums in more than one city. The other list is reserves or back ups.
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Old August 16th, 2009, 01:24 AM   #766
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Only three things are certain:death, taxes and... WORLD CUP 2018 or 2022 in England
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Old August 16th, 2009, 02:09 AM   #767
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His list doesn't have two stadiums in more than one city. The other list is reserves or back ups.
Still, the reserve's might also be used so just a little error.
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Old August 16th, 2009, 01:26 PM   #768
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I don't think so. The reserves will come into play if the main stadium in that city can't host, so I don't think there's any replication.
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Old August 16th, 2009, 02:06 PM   #769
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It's too bad that England won't joint-host with the rest of the U.K. and Ireland.

It'd be nice to see World Cup matches hosted at places like Parkhead/Ibrox, Millenium, Landsdowne Road, Murrayfield, etc..
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Old August 16th, 2009, 02:47 PM   #770
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It's too bad that England won't joint-host with the rest of the U.K. and Ireland.

It'd be nice to see World Cup matches hosted at places like Parkhead/Ibrox, Millenium, Landsdowne Road, Murrayfield, etc..
Err...no thanks!
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Old August 16th, 2009, 05:17 PM   #771
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Isn't Old Trafford technically not in Manchester anyway?
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Old August 16th, 2009, 09:28 PM   #772
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Isn't Old Trafford technically not in Manchester anyway?
Yes, hence the name. They renamed the metro region Greater Manchester, though, so I guess it's now correct.
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Old August 17th, 2009, 03:11 AM   #773
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Yes, hence the name. They renamed the metro region Greater Manchester, though, so I guess it's now correct.
They never renamed anything... greater manchester was a county created out of an urban blob (Manchester, Salfrod, Bolton, Stockport etc) which straddled two counties as it made more sense. The fact that manchester united play outside the official city boundary (since 1909) is irrelevant as it's just a line on a map.

We don't have metros like you do in america... If we did Manchester and Liverpool would be in the same one...
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Old August 17th, 2009, 05:44 AM   #774
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We don't have metros like you do in america... If we did Manchester and Liverpool would be in the same one...
Its strange how for a world cup in England you could use manchester and liverpool. Yet in australia places like frankston are counted as melbourne and penrith as sydney could not count as a seperate city altough they are a long distance away and run more or less indapendently of the city they are included in. Maybe this is a way the Australian bid could get past the one stadium per city rule by counting places with suitable populations such as penrith, paramatta, Frankston and Dandenong as citys unto themselves.
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Old August 17th, 2009, 06:00 AM   #775
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Our enemy's bid!

I might sound hypocritical but I seriously hope that England gets the World Cup. If we did, Portugal would just be the shadow of its co-host country, Spain, which is almost five times bigger than us. Spain would get all the merit and glory for the organisation of this event.

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Old August 17th, 2009, 01:31 PM   #776
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Isn't Old Trafford technically not in Manchester anyway?
Old Trafford isn't in Manchester in the same way that Stamford Bridge and the Emirates aren't in London.

It's not about city limits, its about conurbations. They don't like multiple venues in the same conurbations because it's much more preferable to have transport, hotels etc spread about.
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Old August 17th, 2009, 02:40 PM   #777
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To Clarify: the reserve list only becomes relevant if one of the A-list venues suddenly cannot fulfill it's obligation to stage World Cup games. The planners have to cover every eventuality. However, the reserve list is almost never used. As to their location, many of the big stadiums in Britain are clustered in a relatively small number of cities. Finding suitable venues in places that do not already have stadiums on the A-list is not that easy.

London is by far the biggest city in Britain, NMAISTER007, and so will almost certainly get 2 venues in the World Cup. The fact that it's the capital only adds to its pre-eminence.

Sorry RMB2007 but I doubt Twickenham will be used as a World Cup venue for 3 reasons. 1 - It's a rugby stadium. 2 - It's in west London, the same as Wembley. 3 - The RFU (which owns Twickenham) has a agreement with the local council to only stage a limited number of big events there per year. It's so that the local residents are not disturbed too much. Hosting World Cup games would probably be a violation of that accord.

England won't joint host with the rest of the UK for 2 reasons KingmanIII. 1 - England is big enough to do it alone. 2 - FIFA probably wouldn't allow a bid with 5 potential hosts (England, Northern Ireland, Rep. of Ireland, Scotland & Wales) and thus 5 automatic entrants into the competition.

You're correct that Old Trafford isn't technically in Manchester Bobby3. It's like Giants Stadium is in East Rutherford, NJ. However, the New York Giants and the New York Jets play there so to most people it's in New York. Likewise Manchester United play at Old Trafford so to most people it's in Manchester.

I suppose in one sense Liverpool and Manchester could be classified as a single entity, mvictory. However, the centre of Manchester is about 34 miles from the centre of Liverpool and on satellite pictures (such as Google Earth) there is enough of a gap for them to be considered separately. Plus, can I get on the local transit network in Manchester and go to Liverpool (or vice versa)? No, they have separate local networks and thus, to my way of thinking, they're 2 distinct cities.
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Plus if you ask a manc or a scouser whether they live in the same city, you'll be in trouble!
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Plus if you ask a manc or a scouser whether they live in the same city, you'll be in trouble!
...Indeed
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Old August 17th, 2009, 07:03 PM   #780
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They never renamed anything... greater manchester was a county created out of an urban blob (Manchester, Salfrod, Bolton, Stockport etc) which straddled two counties as it made more sense. The fact that manchester united play outside the official city boundary (since 1909) is irrelevant as it's just a line on a map.

We don't have metros like you do in america... If we did Manchester and Liverpool would be in the same one...
Thanks for the schooling in semantics.
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