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Old August 18th, 2009, 09:29 AM   #781
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Err...no thanks!
Why not? Some of those stadiums are cathedrals of football, others are absolute palaces.

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England won't joint host with the rest of the UK for 2 reasons KingmanIII. 1 - England is big enough to do it alone. 2 - FIFA probably wouldn't allow a bid with 5 potential hosts (England, Northern Ireland, Rep. of Ireland, Scotland & Wales) and thus 5 automatic entrants into the competition.
Wouldn't the entire U.K. count as one entity, though? The only other joint entrant would be Ireland.
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Old August 18th, 2009, 11:25 AM   #782
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England won't joint host with the rest of the UK for 2 reasons KingmanIII. 1 - England is big enough to do it alone. 2 - FIFA probably wouldn't allow a bid with 5 potential hosts (England, Northern Ireland, Rep. of Ireland, Scotland & Wales) and thus 5 automatic entrants into the competition.
No way will FIFA allow 5 teams automatic qualification. It is half against joint bids between two countries for partly that reason, let alone 3 or 4 or 5.
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Old August 18th, 2009, 11:40 AM   #783
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Old Trafford isn't in Manchester in the same way that Stamford Bridge and the Emirates aren't in London.

It's not about city limits, its about conurbations. They don't like multiple venues in the same conurbations because it's much more preferable to have transport, hotels etc spread about.
Stamford Bridge and the Emirates are both well within the London city-limits.
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Old August 18th, 2009, 11:51 AM   #784
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London should just organize it on its own already.
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Old August 18th, 2009, 12:40 PM   #785
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Don't be daft.

Cities capable of hosting;
London (Wembley - 90,000+, Emirates)
Sheffield (Hillsborough - 40,000 - Planned 45,000)
Leeds (Elland Road 40,000)
Newcastle (St James Park - 60,000+ planned)
Manchester (Old Trafford - 75,000+)
Bristol (Ashton Vale - 40,000 planned)
Leicester (Walkers - expansion to 40,000)
Derby (Pride Park - Expansion to 40,000)

All these are good cities and should host games.
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Old August 18th, 2009, 01:21 PM   #786
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Good stadiums. I've been to most of those cities and I would curse Queen and country if my home nation was drawn to play in Leicester. Awful place. Half the fun of attending World Cup matches is that you're on vacation in an exotic or otherwise fun place.

Our (the Dutch) bid faces the same problems of course. Nobody in the history of the planet has ever spoken the words "I can't wait to go to Eindhoven."
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Old August 18th, 2009, 02:30 PM   #787
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Why not? Some of those stadiums are cathedrals of football, others are absolute palaces.


Wouldn't the entire U.K. count as one entity, though? The only other joint entrant would be Ireland.
No it wouldn't. It should, even according to FIFA's own regulations on the subject, but it doesn't. When international football first started to be played in the late 19th century it was the British who wrote the rules on what constituted a country and what didn't. As a result, the constituent parts of the UK each got their own 'national' team. By the time the rules were changed, the concept of Scotish or Welsh national team was so ingrained that it was kept even though they aren't independent countries. As a result any UK bid for the World Cup would involve at least 4 'nations' (5 including the Republic of Ireland which is a separate entity).
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Old August 18th, 2009, 03:52 PM   #788
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Still don't think that Emirates will feature. Not without a serious plan to accommodate world cup requirements around the venue.
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Old August 19th, 2009, 03:09 PM   #789
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Don't be daft.

Cities capable of hosting;
London (Wembley - 90,000+, Emirates)
Sheffield (Hillsborough - 40,000 - Planned 45,000)
Leeds (Elland Road 40,000)
Newcastle (St James Park - 60,000+ planned)
Manchester (Old Trafford - 75,000+)
Bristol (Ashton Vale - 40,000 planned)
Leicester (Walkers - expansion to 40,000)
Derby (Pride Park - Expansion to 40,000)

All these are good cities and should host games.
No Liverpool?

If Stanley Park (73,000) is ready on time that would make a great stadium.

If not then Anfield could host, as I don't see that kirkby or whatever stadium going ahead.
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Old August 19th, 2009, 03:26 PM   #790
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So do you think the news that Eastlands, Manchester City's football ground are planning to expand from 48,000 to 60,000 would help get this stadium part of the England 2018 bid. Here is the article on the expansion:http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...rade-eastlands
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Old August 19th, 2009, 03:34 PM   #791
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So do you think the news that Eastlands, Manchester City's football ground are planning to expand from 48,000 to 60,000 would help get this stadium part of the England 2018 bid. Here is the article on the expansion:http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...rade-eastlands
This is where it would get very delicate, I mean disregarding the whole "Old Trafford isn't in Manchester" thing and just assuming that they are, if Man City were able to boost their stadium to a total similar to that of Old Trafford (which i'm not sure if it is possible),would this choice over Old Trafford be beneficial to the bid overall?

I mean if you think about it, Man Utd are possibly the biggest football club in the world, with the biggest global support...their presence in an English bid would surely be a great bonus to the bid overall, regardless of whether Eastlands could be a potentially better/bigger stadium.

Unless of course they take the "2 stadiums in 1 city" aspect out of London! What a coup that would be!
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Old August 19th, 2009, 03:41 PM   #792
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If FIFA guidelines are strictly adhered to and only one stadium is permitted per city then I think Old Trafford would still get the nod.The best English stadiums are in clusters around 4 or 5 cities though so I would like to see FIFA make some compromises.
Also I think Emirates Stadium would be used as the 2nd London stadium. If it doesnt get chosen then maybe the new Spurs stadium would get the nod but at the moment it doesn't have the transport links that the Emirates has.
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Old August 19th, 2009, 03:57 PM   #793
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If it doesnt get chosen then maybe the new Spurs stadium would get the nod but at the moment it doesn't have the transport links that the Emirates has.
At the moment it doesn't have the stadium that the Emirates has! We'll see how transport links compare once the stadium's up.

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So do you think the news that Eastlands, Manchester City's football ground are planning to expand from 48,000 to 60,000 would help get this stadium part of the England 2018 bid. Here is the article on the expansion:http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...rade-eastlands
60,000 is still 17,000 seats short of Old Trafford so if it's only one Manacher stadium it'll still be the red, not the blue one.
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Old August 19th, 2009, 04:20 PM   #794
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Stamford Bridge and the Emirates are both well within the London city-limits.
London's city limits encompass about 3 square km. Conurbations and cities are different things. That's why, for the sake of this thread, you wouldn't get away with trying to use two stadiums in the Manchester and Liverpool areas by saying they're not technically in the same city.
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Old August 19th, 2009, 09:28 PM   #795
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Our (the Dutch) bid faces the same problems of course. Nobody in the history of the planet has ever spoken the words "I can't wait to go to Eindhoven."
I once said "I'd like to see Eindhoven." Granted, it was for a football match...

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So do you think the news that Eastlands, Manchester City's football ground are planning to expand from 48,000 to 60,000 would help get this stadium part of the England 2018 bid.
Magic Eight Ball says... "Outlook not good!!!"

a) I'm still doubtful this scheme will come to pass. That same article emphasizes the point that Eastlands isn't selling out now so it's probable the ROI on any expansion would be abysmally low, if not an outright loss. So while the owners could afford this, they're likely shrewd enough to also that playing in front of more empty seats wouldn't do much for the club's image.

b) As has been pointed out, Eastlands won't be able to supplant Old Trafford as the prestige factor alone means ManU's home ground will be in the mix, even if Citeh are someday matching their average draw (which won't happen). So unless FIFA allows England to have more than one city hosting 2 venues, this won't happen.

I truly suspect this is simply the handlers for Citeh trying to keep their vision in the press and in everyone's mind, much the same way Newcastle spent time and energy touting an expansion of St. James even as the club was struggling. Cheap advertising.
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Old August 26th, 2009, 11:28 AM   #796
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London's city limits encompass about 3 square km. Conurbations and cities are different things. That's why, for the sake of this thread, you wouldn't get away with trying to use two stadiums in the Manchester and Liverpool areas by saying they're not technically in the same city.
London's city limits encompass 659 square miles.

Stamford Bridge, the Emirates, the Valley, White Hart Lane etc. are all within London city-proper.
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Old August 26th, 2009, 09:28 PM   #797
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Bad news for your bid....

A bad remake of "Green Street Hooligans"



I'm sad too see that and as a Paris-SG fan I know the probleme very well...

That kind of violence has already cost you the obtention of world cup.

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Old August 26th, 2009, 09:53 PM   #798
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Unless there are repeats of incidents on this scale between now and the end of next year (and I'll stick my neck out and wager there won't be), this will cause no more than short term damage. Poland would not be hosting Euro 2012 if hooliganism was a big determining factor in choosing hosts. Besides which, even if it were, England is one of the world leaders in dealing with hooliganism and our leagues are now among the safest in world football. FIFA knows this so I don't think they'll let last night cloud their judgement, but they will want to see us acting swiftly and firmly after witnessing what is a blemish on our otherwise very good recent record.
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Old August 26th, 2009, 11:56 PM   #799
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Bad news for your bid....

A bad remake of "Green Street Hooligans"



I'm sad too see that and as a Paris-SG fan I know the probleme very well...

That kind of violence has already cost you the obtention of world cup.
I don't see why this would affect the bid. It is one match out of thousands of domestic games each season, and is only getting airtime because our domestic hooligan record has been so good over the past 15 years.

It is an isolated incident, and FIFA are intellegent enough to know that, despite the media bandwagon.

Far worse happens in many European countries each week.
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Old August 27th, 2009, 02:13 AM   #800
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Yes far more violence occurs in other European countries, but all of you are forgetting Platini seems to be totally against English football. This is the kind of rubbish excuse he could use.

The police asked for this when they halved the away ticket allocation, meaning they were left to deal with thousands of angry ticketless fans looking to get back at the police outside the ground. This meant the stewards were virtually on their own and powerless to stop the 3 pointless pitch invasions.

It has to be said Millwall were fairly well behaved and it was the West Ham fans who let the side down last night. That said, racist chanting is totally unacceptable.
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