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Old September 7th, 2005, 05:12 AM   #81
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Australia will NOT host the World Cup in 2018.

As much as we hope it wont happen.
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Old September 16th, 2005, 04:44 PM   #82
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Rumours of a possible dry run bid for 2014


FA prepares bid for 2014 World Cup

· Barwick in Treasury talks to secure Brown's backing
·Football determined to build on Olympic success

Matt Scott and Larry Elliott
Friday September 16, 2005
The Guardian


The Football Association is holding talks with the Treasury to seek backing from Gordon Brown for a bid to stage the World Cup in England for the first time since 1966. Heartened by London's success in winning the 2012 Olympic Games, Brian Barwick, the FA's chief executive, has opened discussions with the chancellor over plans for England to host the tournament in 2014 or, more likely, 2018.
"Exploratory discussions have been held with a view to a bid," said one source close to the talks. He added that these centred on whether the FA could expect the support of Brown if, as expected, he has become prime minister by the time a formal pitch for the event is made.

The Treasury confirmed that discussions were under way with the FA and stressed that Brown would be as supportive of a bid for the World Cup as Tony Blair had been during London's campaign for the 2012 Olympics. The FA believes its best chance of winning the right to hold sport's second biggest event will be in 2018, but is contemplating using the 2014 tournament as a dry run. It has already been decided that the 2010 World Cup will be held in South Africa and it is thought likely that the 2014 event will go to South America, which has not been host to the tournament since Argentina in 1978 - Colombia was awarded the 1986 tournament but pulled out and it moved to Mexico City.
Brazil, the five-times winners and favourites for next year's tournament in Germany, has not held the World Cup since 1950 and is expected to put up a strong case for 2014. "The next time that it should come to Europe is probably 2018 and we have got enough time to get organised," said Barwick last month. Treasury officials said the chancellor was enthusiastic about the prospects of bringing the tournament to England and believed that the cost to the taxpayer could be kept to a minimum. Blair's commitment to London's Olympic bid was seen as crucial when the votes were cast in Singapore two months ago and the FA has told Brown that it will need full ministerial backing if it is to fend off what is expected to be strong competition from other countries.

England's last World Cup bid, to stage the 2006 finals, ended in ignominy five years ago. The FA was accused of reneging on a gentlemen's agreement between the then chairman Sir Bert Millichip and the German football authorities. That accord, in which Germany's support for England's Euro 96 bid was pledged in return for reciprocity over its 2006 World Cup campaign, was struck in the presence of Uefa officials.

The FA then failed to keep its word and, despite a slick presentation which included an impassioned speech from the 1966 World Cup winner Sir Bobby Charlton, the bid was doomed to failure. Disturbances in Charleroi involving England fans at the Euro 2000 finals, a matter of weeks before the Fifa vote, added to the criticism of England's credentials. However, the conduct of England supporters at the 2002 World Cup and Euro 2004 finals in Portugal has restored confidence in the FA's ability to contain hooliganism.

The FA, whose leadership has changed several times since 2000, has told the Treasury that England will boast enough modern grounds, big and small, to cope with a 32-nation tournament. The final would be held at the new Wembley Stadium, with Old Trafford, St James' Park, Arsenal's new Emirates stadium and Villa Park all having the capacity to host big games. Games expected to draw smaller gates would be held at modern all-seat stadiums with smaller capacities.

Barwick is seeking assurances from the Treasury that it would match any favourable tax treatment other bidders might offer in order to win the support of the members of Fifa, and that the right infrastructure would be in place across the country to cope with overseas supporters coming to England.

The FA's enthusiasm to press ahead with a bid has increased since London's surprise victory over Paris to host the Olympics. Good reports from the International Olympic Committee about the readiness of the capital to host the games has inspired confidence that a bid would be successful. The FA could turn to key figures in the 2012 Olympic bid process, such as the communications director Mike Lee, to provide expertise in the politicking for the World Cup.

All the large European countries - Germany (twice), Spain, Italy and France -have held the World Cup since England was host in 1966, and Sepp Blatter, the president of Fifa, said 12 months ago that he would urge a bid. "I would say yes, they should bid - it is the homeland of football. They are building stadia and other facilities for the Olympics, Wembley is almost finished and maybe they would be used for a World Cup bid."
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ls/4155856.stm

There going for 2018 rather than 2014 according to that. Since FIFA seems set on a Brazilian WC for 2014 I'd guess they think their better off working with them rather than agenst them. We'd probabley only have beaten Brazil on bids if they'd had a problem financing the construction of a new set of stadia and if that were to happen swapping the two hosts(us to 2014 them to 2018) would be the obvious answer seeing as most of our stadiums will be built independently of a WC.

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The FA, whose leadership has changed several times since 2000, has told the Treasury that England will boast enough modern grounds, big and small, to cope with a 32-nation tournament. The final would be held at the new Wembley Stadium, with Old Trafford, St James' Park, Arsenal's new Emirates stadium and Villa Park all having the capacity to host big games. Games expected to draw smaller gates would be held at modern all-seat stadiums with smaller capacities.
Not sure how that would be possible unless they have altered the ticketing by then given that the stadiums are allocated and alot of the tickets sold before each fixture is even confirmed now.
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Old September 16th, 2005, 08:33 PM   #84
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England should bid for 2018. I may have a few grey hairs by them, but so what.
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Old September 17th, 2005, 04:11 AM   #85
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Not sure how that would be possible unless they have altered the ticketing by then given that the stadiums are allocated and alot of the tickets sold before each fixture is even confirmed now.
We could probably sell out by the end of September!
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Old September 17th, 2005, 04:27 AM   #86
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I bet if England was told it was hosting the 2018 World Cup tommorrow and tickets went on sale, they would be sold out in a matter of weeks if not days.
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Old September 17th, 2005, 06:21 PM   #87
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germany 2006 is using 12 stadiums, all over 40,000 capacity. from what i can tell three are 60,000+, three are 50,000+, and the remaining six are 40,000+.

england could use:

1) wembley (90,000) - u/c
2) old trafford (75,000 > 90,000 if redeveloped further) - u/c
3) new anfield (61,000) - pp
4) emirates stadium (60,000) - u/c
5) st james' park (52,000+ if redeveloped further)
6) stadium of light (48,000+ if redeveloped further)
7) city of manchester stadium (48,000)
8) villa park (42,000)
9) stamford bridge (42,000+ if redeveloped further)

after that take your pick from a whole host of 30-something-thousand stadiums that could easily be redeveloped, such as st mary's, walkers, the riverside, the valley, and so on. throw on top of that a possible new spurs stadium and the new olympics stadium, with a possible redesign to accomodate football after 2012 a la the city of manchester stadium after the commonwealth games.

there is also the possibility of using england's rugby home of twickenham (82,000) and the millenium stadium (74,500) which, while it is the welsh national stadium has pretty much been absorbed into a part and parcel piece of the english footballing calender while wembley's being rebuit.

have i missed anything out?
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Old September 17th, 2005, 07:21 PM   #88
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World Cup Final in here?
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Old September 17th, 2005, 08:00 PM   #89
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germany 2006 is using 12 stadiums, all over 40,000 capacity. from what i can tell three are 60,000+, three are 50,000+, and the remaining six are 40,000+.

england could use:

1) wembley (90,000) - u/c
2) old trafford (75,000 > 90,000 if redeveloped further) - u/c
3) new anfield (61,000) - pp
4) emirates stadium (60,000) - u/c
5) st james' park (52,000+ if redeveloped further)
6) stadium of light (48,000+ if redeveloped further)
7) city of manchester stadium (48,000)
8) villa park (42,000)
9) stamford bridge (42,000+ if redeveloped further)

after that take your pick from a whole host of 30-something-thousand stadiums that could easily be redeveloped, such as st mary's, walkers, the riverside, the valley, and so on. throw on top of that a possible new spurs stadium and the new olympics stadium, with a possible redesign to accomodate football after 2012 a la the city of manchester stadium after the commonwealth games.

there is also the possibility of using england's rugby home of twickenham (82,000) and the millenium stadium (74,500) which, while it is the welsh national stadium has pretty much been absorbed into a part and parcel piece of the english footballing calender while wembley's being rebuit.

have i missed anything out?
We'd need to host 8 groups.

1) London;
Wembley 90,000
Emerites 60,000
2) Birmingham;
Villa Park 52,000*
Wolverhapmton/New BCFC? 40,000 bare minimum
3) Manchester;
OLD TRAFORD 76,000/92,000*
city of manchester 48,000/60,000*
4) Liverpool;
New Anfield 61,000
New Goodison 55,000***
5) North East;
Stadium of Light 48,000/55,000*/64,000**
St James Park 52,000/60,000
6) Midlands;
Walkers Stadium 32,000/40,000*
Pride Park 34,000/40,000*
7) Yorkshire;
Hillsborough 40,000*
Elland Road 40,000*
8) South Coast;
St Marys 32,000/52,000*
Majdeski Stadium 25,000/40,000*

There's 8 groups laid out. Of course we wouldn't use 16 stadiums and it's a shame that Twickenham will not be available (nor will Stamford, I doubt that FIFA will want more than 2 stadiums within London, even if there could be 6 suitable ones by 2018). But we'll probably be looking at something like this for the regional diversity of the groups.
Some stadiums would require more work than others. New Goodison for a start. Most of the new stadiums are built with swift expansion in mind. The Yorkshire group is the least likely to be viable given the precaripous financial states of Leeds and Wednesday.

As far as capacities are concerned I'd prefer to be seeing all gounds to be 50,000 minimum but that would tend to concentrate them around London, Lancashire and the NE but I'd bet that the FA would prefer a more regional format.

Of course this all assumes that the G-14 don't kill off the World Cup before then.
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We'd need to host 8 groups.

1) London;
Wembley 90,000
Emerites 60,000
2) Birmingham;
Villa Park 52,000*
Wolverhapmton/New BCFC? 40,000 bare minimum
3) Manchester;
OLD TRAFORD 76,000/92,000*
city of manchester 48,000/60,000*
4) Liverpool;
New Anfield 61,000
New Goodison 55,000***
5) North East;
Stadium of Light 48,000/55,000*/64,000**
St James Park 52,000/60,000
6) Midlands;
Walkers Stadium 32,000/40,000*
Pride Park 34,000/40,000*
7) Yorkshire;
Hillsborough 40,000*
Elland Road 40,000*
8) South Coast;
St Marys 32,000/52,000*
Majdeski Stadium 25,000/40,000*

There's 8 groups laid out. Of course we wouldn't use 16 stadiums and it's a shame that Twickenham will not be available (nor will Stamford, I doubt that FIFA will want more than 2 stadiums within London, even if there could be 6 suitable ones by 2018). But we'll probably be looking at something like this for the regional diversity of the groups.
I doubt the groups would need to be that region specific as they certainly arent doing it for germany 2006, you only need to do that kind of thing in a country the size of the US IMHO. Maybe if it was a "UK" world cup(but with only England qualifing as hosts) they might want to avoid having groups with games in Scotland and London but overwise I can't see it being a problem.
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I doubt the groups would need to be that region specific as they certainly arent doing it for germany 2006, you only need to do that kind of thing in a country the size of the US IMHO. Maybe if it was a "UK" world cup(but with only England qualifing as hosts) they might want to avoid having groups with games in Scotland and London but overwise I can't see it being a problem.
Fair point. A south coast group was scraping the barrel a bit. I'm also none too sure how fusst FIFA would be about the 2 stadiums per city maximum. If theres one city on earth that can cope with more it's London;

Wembley 90,000
Twickenham (unlikely) 82,000
Olympic (?) 80,000?
Emerites 60,000
Stamford Bridge 42,000
White Heart Lane 37,000
Upton Park 35,000
The Valley 40,000 soon
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Well it would be quite likely that either Soton or Portsmouth would be a venue as they serve a large urban area (a couple of million people live in close proximity of the cities plus they are only 1 hrs journey from London). In addition Fratton Park is likely to be redeveloped soon as well so it could easily end up being a 40,000+ stadium without the World Cup anyway.

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We'd need to host 8 groups.

1) London;
Wembley 90,000
Emerites 60,000
2) Birmingham;
Villa Park 52,000*
Wolverhapmton/New BCFC? 40,000 bare minimum
3) Manchester;
OLD TRAFORD 76,000/92,000*
city of manchester 48,000/60,000*
4) Liverpool;
New Anfield 61,000
New Goodison 55,000***
5) North East;
Stadium of Light 48,000/55,000*/64,000**
St James Park 52,000/60,000
6) Midlands;
Walkers Stadium 32,000/40,000*
Pride Park 34,000/40,000*
7) Yorkshire;
Hillsborough 40,000*
Elland Road 40,000*
8) South Coast;
St Marys 32,000/52,000*
Majdeski Stadium 25,000/40,000*
As I understand it FIFA rules only let you have up to two cities using two stadia - your list has two in London, two in Manchester, two in Liverpool and possibly two in Birmingham...
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ENGLAND - FIFA World Cup 2018 / 2022 bid

A thread for the English world cup bid. News and Discussion.

So, what venues are we going to include? Should they be all in london? - I hope not, should each region have a set amount of stadia?
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This has been discussed heavily here, so expect some flak for that. Still, this bid probably could use it's own thread as things grow more serious, but a couple things should be clarified right off the bat:

- It's established FIFA policy that only one city/metro can have two stadiums, so unless England pursues a waiver you wont see (the games) "all in London," as you put it.

- Some geographic dispersal will be pursued but among pundits here the debate clearly shows the balance between viable cities vs. most likely place to house and use a stadium. For instance, Hull and Bristol would help spread the wealth but undoubtedly don't need a 45k seat venue long-term.

- England will not be seeking aid from Wales (Millennium Stadium) or Scotland (Hampden), both as a matter of need (or lack thereof) and pride.

With that, the floor is now open to discussion.
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Ah, sorry folks!

Although that place is becoming a tad too overcrowded now with more people going more in depth about their countries and other countries bids.
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No problem. As I said, this should have it's own thread, just don't be surprised to see some of the conversation already resolved.

I've no time to add pictures of everything but will try to jump start the thread with some recap and a visual aid. First some random notes to consider.

- Re: London, Chelsea will be hard pressed to cram more than 55k in Stamford Bridge and leaving the Bridge would cost not only large $ for the new digs but also buying the naming rights for the club away from the Chelsea Pitch Owners Association. Having already gifted $1B to the club, is Abromovich willing to go this extra mile. Tottenham and West Hame are also considering new facilities but have yet to offer solid evidence they could surpass Emirates in size. Further, Arsenal have hinted at the potential to expand sometime after Highbury is paid off. Thus, Emirates will likely be stadium #2 in London.

- Birmingham City FC remain involved in stadium partnership discussions with the government. Provided the club maintain strong gates for their next spell in the championship this is still a solid option, and the City will likely do something on the order of 45k+ to ensure they have a solid venue for the Games. Villa Park can expand but would the end result be more convenient, modern and attractive compared to a new facility, even if the new one is slightly smaller? My contacts suggest no, unless Villa Park reaches about 10k more than the new stadium.

- Once it's realized there will be some substantial investment required by both clubs and the governments, expect some effort to help those clubs that can maximize the investment. Ipswich, Norwich, Nottingham... there are plenty of places that seem non-starters to begin with but then one realizes this investment could make a significant difference in the value and fortunes of these clubs. The bid organizers will work closely with the clubs as they want this to be a showcase of English football. (For that same reason I don't expect Twickenham to host.)

Thus...

"Given" host sites

London - Wembley (90k), Emirates (60k)
Manchester - Old Trafford (75k)
Liverpool - Stanley Park (70k)
Birmingham - New BCFC ground/ Vila Park (~50k)
Sunderland - Stadium of Light (53k)
Until Newcastle proves to me their expansion can truly happen, the above is easier and cheaper to produce and I'm doubtful Sunderland and Newcastle will both be hosting.
Portsmouth - New Pompey Stadium (43k, reduced after games)
There'll be something on the south coast, and this will be easier to arrange than amending St. Mary's in Southampton.

That leaves 5 spots for the following candidate sites:
Bristol
Hull
Sheffield
Leeds
Nottingham
Ipswich
Norwich
Middlesbrough
Derby
Leicester
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Based upon that Map I would only see it reasonable to let the whole country reap benefits from the world cup, unlike london with the Olyimpics [pardon my spelling].

So I'd go for:
London: The 2 newer stadiums at the time - Max for one city is 2 stadiums under rules but rules can change. I hope they don't.

South West: Bristol - a new stadium obviously needed. For tourism purposes, and tourism purposes only - to up returning visitors - A stadium around the Bath area.

South: Pompey and Southampton.

Now, this is where it gets interesting as the number of clubs rapidly increases in this area.

The Midlands:
Aston Villa and Birmingham would be ideal.
Nottingham and if needed, Leicester could come into the frame - The stadiums need a lot of work at the moment though.

Yorkshire:
Sheffield. Now here it will get heated, what club - in footballs birth place - will host the world cup if the Uk is choosen? At the moment do you go for Hillsborough, or The Lane? Or do you consider the future and how Hillsborough could be modernised as at the moment, despite being an owl, the Lane is better and more modern, despite being smaller.
Then you have Hull or Leeds. I'd pick Hull due to the fact they are close to the sea and well, are a port. A lot better transport than Leeds.

Heading West..
Liverpool (new stadium) and Manchester United would be good enough.

Heading North east..
Newcastle needs some work doing to it, but if Sunderland become more stable in the Premiership, they could have a really good shout.
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This is my ideal list of English cities and stadiums I would like to be used for a 2018 world cup. The stadiums have a minimum and maximum capacity which have been suggested in the past, and some stadiums I have made up as I feel something new would have to be built in that city. However when the bid goes in I don't think that all the stadiums will have the maximum capacity, although I would like them too. But please bear in mind Sepp Blatter has said he wants the minimum stadium size in 2018 to be 45,000.


Ideal list:
1. London, Wembley Stadium, 90,000.

2. Manchester, Old Trafford, 76,212 - 95,212.

3. Liverpool, New Anfield, 70,000 - 80,000.

4. London, Emirates Stadium, 60,432.

5. Newcastle, St James Park, 60,390.

6. Birmingham, Villa Park, 52,000.

7. Leeds, New Leeds Stadium, 40,00 - 50,000.

8. Nottingham, New Nottingham stadium, 45,000 - 50,000.

9. Sheffield, New Sheffield Stadium, 40,000 - 48,000.

10. Portsmouth, New Stadium 40,000 - 48,000.

11. Bristol, New Bristol Stadium, 40,000 - 45,000.

12. Norwich, New Norwich Stadium, 40,000 - 45,000.


What do you think about these cities?

Reserve Stadiums:
1. London, New West Ham Stadium, 55,000 - 60,000.
2. London, New Chelsea Stadium, 55,000 - 65,000.
3. London, White Hart Lane, 55,000.
4. Birmingham, City of Birmingham Stadium, 55,000.
5. Liverpool/ kirkby, New Everton Stadium, 50,000 - 60,000.
6. Sunderland, Stadium of Light, 49,000 - 64,000.
7. Manchester, City of Manchester Stadium, 47,726.
8. Southampton, St Mary's, 40,000 - 45,000.
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