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Old December 18th, 2009, 03:03 AM   #1001
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MK Dons shouldn't exist as a club, end of. They are a travesty to the integrity of English football.
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Old December 18th, 2009, 03:14 AM   #1002
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of course, but no one cares anymore as the fact they got let in the supporters federation and now this proves. Luckily the FA have got strict rules or Scally would move Gillingham to Ashford because it's one of the UKs growth towns and medway's full of pikeys who only turn out for wembley (I kid)!
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Old December 18th, 2009, 06:13 AM   #1003
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7 to 8 of the proposed stadia have capacities of between 40k to 50k. Lets hope some of those grounds can be increased in terms of capacities to a more exiciting number.
Meh. A bit harsh, ron.

In 2006 Germany used seven 40 to 50k stadiums, two 50k+ stadiums, two 60k stadiums and one 70k stadium.

South Africa is using one 90k Stadium, one 70k, two 60k+ and six 40 to 50k stadiums.

England is offering a choice from: One 90k stadium, two 70k+, three 60k stadiums, two 50k+ and as many as eight 40 to 50k stadiums.

England's bid stacks up very well IMO.
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Old December 18th, 2009, 09:53 AM   #1004
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Capacity of venues don't usually win the bid. It also does not matter how many large stadia there are except of course to meet the huge demand.

Once you've met the minimum requirements as set out by FIFA the rest is up to the city/country.
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Old December 18th, 2009, 12:58 PM   #1005
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Old December 18th, 2009, 04:46 PM   #1006
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MK Dons shouldn't exist as a club, end of. They are a travesty to the integrity of English football.
Well start up a thread about how much u hate MK Dons. This thread is about England 2018 not MK Dons/Wimbeldon
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Old December 19th, 2009, 12:49 AM   #1007
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MK Dons shouldn't exist as a club, end of. They are a travesty to the integrity of English football.
Based on that logic half the clubs in the English league system shouldn't be in existence
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Old December 20th, 2009, 04:49 PM   #1008
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London’s venue options (shame Twickenham wasn’t involved)

Wembley















Emirates









Tottenham Hotspurs new stadium





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Olympic Stadium





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Old December 20th, 2009, 05:41 PM   #1009
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Ahem, it's Tottenham Hotspur (not Hotspurs)! Either that or you missed out an apostrophe.
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Old December 20th, 2009, 06:12 PM   #1010
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I think he missed an apostrophe...
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Old December 20th, 2009, 06:40 PM   #1011
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(shame Twickenham wasn’t involved)
Yeah, especially since it's the home of kicking.
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Old December 20th, 2009, 10:44 PM   #1012
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Ahem, it's Tottenham Hotspur (not Hotspurs)! Either that or you missed out an apostrophe.
thanks for pointing out my typo Rob, i know if i was a spurs fan i'd be annoyed. yes i missed the apostrophe
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Old December 21st, 2009, 11:46 AM   #1013
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I think a bunch of things have to happen to really solidify the bid:

- The new Liverpool stadium has to begin construction in the next year. That would erase any big doubts over whether a historic footballing city can make it work.

- The controversy over the new Bristol stadium has to be resolved and the way cleared for construction. If FIFA senses that there may be trouble with regards to Bristol, they would start thinking that the bid may not be able to deliver on spreading the matches beyond the power cities.

- Should London go with two venues or three? I think that while using the club venues may make the list "look better", I think if they can keep the maximum capacity of the Olympic Stadium in place through 2018 that they should go with just two big stadia of over 80,000 capacity. That would be sufficient. Since you're going to lose seats to the "FIFA sponsors", anyway, why not just go with the bigger capacities? The track can be covered up with green carpeting, like they did in the UAE during the Club World Cup.

I also think that unless one of the Manchester venues drop out that one more city would be cut between Sheffield, Leeds or Nottingham. The Northeast is its own cluster and can receive at least two groups, so Sunderland would remain part of the mix, regardless. The Southwest, if both Bristol and Plymouth can get their act together, would also be hard to cut. While I hate the thought of Winkleman being rewarded (again!) for his abandonment of the Merton faithful, I also think it's hard to argue against MK's inclusion just on geographical spread. Therefore, one of the traditional footballing cities would get the chop, I fear.
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Old December 21st, 2009, 12:37 PM   #1014
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Most of that makes sense, especially the bit about Liverpool (by far the biggest boost England 2018 could get would be Liverpool getting their act together).

I'd disagree with regard to thge Olympic stadium though. It's been estimated that it'll cost around £100m to maintain the Olympic stadium and convert it to FIFA standards (remember it has no inbuilt facilities and is merely a temporary shell).

A compromised stadium with a track, putting off the Olympic legacy for a further six years, and paying out an extra £100m to maintain and convert the stadium seems very foolish when Spurs are building a fabulous new football stadium in the next few years. If London is to have three grounds, the New White Hart Lane must be ahead of the Olympic Stadium. From what the FA have said, they also agree. The inclusion of the Olympic stadium seems to be a belt and braces approach, in case Spurs' stadium plans hit some bumps in the road.
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Old December 21st, 2009, 12:51 PM   #1015
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Thinking about it Naming Rights and The emirates are in shithole areas I wouldn't send 10s of 1000s of tourists to north Tottenham or Holloway... welcome to our slums! At least Stratford and Wembley are sheltered from their surroundings!
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Old December 21st, 2009, 01:43 PM   #1016
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I grew up in Wembley and man, its a hole. Has to be one of the worst places to hold a major sports stadium. I feel sorry for anyone that has to come via Wembley Central! (look at the great pound stores you can shop at!) Don't know if it is any worse than Tottenham though....
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Old December 21st, 2009, 02:12 PM   #1017
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Established traditional football city? Well, to outsiders:

- The club is Derby County, despite Derby being a place within the county Derbyshire. Do most people even know there's a town in there?

- One of the worst Premiership seasons in recent memory. Not all tradition is great.

- They played forever at the Baseball Ground in a country where baseball is not known to exist. Not too prestigious to be second billing in your home venue.

These are just superficial observations from a foreigner. Perceptions are likely different in England, but I doubt this will wreck the bid.

You have no idea what they hell you are talking about. What has a one-off poor season under mismanagement have to do with the World Cup?!

Yes we do have the record of the worst season in history, but Plymouth/MK Dons/Bristol City etc haven't got a patch on Derby history wise!

You mention the county thing, so what, Notts County also have the name, so does that mean Nottingham is a town?!

Derby and the whole of Derbyshire are known for its passion for football, Derby County get consistant attendances no matter how good or bad we are doing as a team, it was said when we went to the Playoff final we had enough requests to fill Wembely Stadium THREE times!!

And why bring up the Baseball Ground? It was named after baseball after the sport was played there before football in the 1800's - is that a problem for you? Does that mean Derby aren't a footballing city capable of hosting the WC due to a sport played at their previous home in the 1800's?

By the way, Pride Park had plans for an upgrade to 44,000 - the shape of the ground with one stand higher than the rest is so it can easily be upgraded if needs be. Plus extensive plans for the outskirts of the Stadium to be made into a continental plaza are always being drawn up. The owners are always wanting to upgrade allsorts of facilities.
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Old December 21st, 2009, 02:14 PM   #1018
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Personally, I thought if the Portsmouth bid went through, then that would beat Milton Keynes, but when Portsmouth pulled out, I was disappointed not to see Southampton put their name forward
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Old December 21st, 2009, 02:41 PM   #1019
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RE: Derby.

He did say he was talking from an outsider's perspective. So I suppose that's an excuse of sorts for not knowing what he's talking about! Though having said that, they were three very bizarre "reasons"!

I quite liked Pride Park when I was there and the plans for expansion have been in place a while haven't they? I can only assume it's outside factors (the need for geographical spread, hotels, transport, stadium location etc.) that led to Derby being dropped. Because the stadium itself (expanded of course) would have been fine in my opinion.
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Old December 21st, 2009, 05:04 PM   #1020
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Yeah i know Derby obviously have more footballing history than say Milton Keynes and Plymouth - but i doubt very much fans from all over the world coming over for the world cup will be like "DERBY WOW!! The Footballing History!!"....jesus its not as though its Liverpool, Nottingham or Manchester lol
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