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Old May 17th, 2010, 06:40 PM   #1121
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The bidding process to stage any major tournament is inherently corrupt. How can it not be? The direction of billions of dollars/pounds/euros etc. is determined by the decisions of a very small number of people. If it costs a few million to grease the right palms then most bid teams would consider that a small price to pay in return. The mistake the Salt Lake City 2002 organisers made was not bribing IOC officials, but getting caught doing it. All the bids will be sliding backhanders to the officials who make the decisions because if they didn't, they would have no chance of winning.

Some Russians probably will take offence, RobH, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Triesman or Alemanniafan was wrong. Some Russians on here seem unusually sensitive to criticism of anything their country does.
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Old May 17th, 2010, 06:40 PM   #1122
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The bidding process to stage any major tournament is inherently corrupt. How can it not be? The direction of billions of dollars/pounds/euros etc. is determined by the decisions of a very small number of people. If it costs a few million to grease the right palms then most bid teams would consider that a small price to pay in return. The mistake the Salt Lake City 2002 organisers made was not bribing IOC officials, but getting caught doing it. All the bids will be sliding backhanders to the officials who make the decisions because if they didn't, they would have no chance of winning.

Some Russians probably will take offence, RobH, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Triesman or Alemanniafan were wrong. Some Russians on here seem unusually sensitive to criticism of anything their country does.
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Old May 17th, 2010, 08:13 PM   #1123
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I just had a look at the English Bid book , congratulations it is simply amazing..... couldnt be better.
I hope England gets the WC in 2018, it simply deserves it.... too long it was last time..... and the stadiums and the atmosphere is absolutely fantastic, I have been a few times in your stadiums, I loved it. Only the flags is something I think it missed, but cant be perfect.
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Old May 17th, 2010, 09:45 PM   #1124
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Yes, yes!! With VODKA and BEARS!!! And of course balalayka with me!!!

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Nahhh, it's just a joke, I bet if Russia's head woud have said the same thing, you'd be saying:

Now english are celebrating with tea and cookies... and fish and chips...
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Old May 17th, 2010, 09:47 PM   #1125
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Tea and biscuits Sir, not cookies
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Old May 17th, 2010, 11:43 PM   #1126
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Nahhh, it's just a joke, I bet if Russia's head woud have said the same thing, you'd be saying:

Now english are celebrating with tea and cookies... and fish and chips...
Tea and cookies (oh, sry biscuits) is not a Vodka. I don't drink at all and for me this is really offensive.
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Old May 18th, 2010, 02:39 AM   #1127
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Tea and cookies (oh, sry biscuits) is not a Vodka. I don't drink at all and for me this is really offensive.
And I'm not british but I think they'd find insulting any joke about their (not so tasty) food...

We are in this forum to discuss the goodness and badness of the bids, not vodka or conspiracy theories...
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Old May 18th, 2010, 01:44 PM   #1128
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And I'm not british but I think they'd find insulting any joke about their (not so tasty) food...
Ah, did i say somtheing insulting about british food?

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Old May 18th, 2010, 02:20 PM   #1129
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The problem with the FA (and the UK in general) is we are too nice. All this English fair play stuff was all well and good in the 19th Century when we were THE superpower but nowadays other countries use it against us all the time. We need to be more ruthless like the Russians or Americans. The fact still remains that the FA have the power (although they've been giving it away for along time) to bring FIFA to their knees. It's embarrassing that we are forced to beg for votes. It's time the FA stood up to FIFA and UEFA. Of course it won't happen but it would be nice if the Lions roared for once. International Football Association Board
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Old May 18th, 2010, 03:11 PM   #1130
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What do you suggest exactly?
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Old May 18th, 2010, 03:31 PM   #1131
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I suggest realpolitik!

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Thus, FIFA's approval is necessary for any IFAB decision, but FIFA alone cannot change the Laws of the Game; they need to be agreed by at least two of the UK members.
Put it this way if the French had the veto on the IFAB every other WC would have been staged in France!
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Old May 19th, 2010, 07:25 PM   #1132
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Like it on not, FIFA like to look outside the square and England seem to just play on its 'home of football' self proclaimed title.
It is the home of football! Don't you think 52 years is long enough to wait for a country who gave birth to the sport?

Anyway the bid team aren't using that slogan at all so what's your point?
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Old May 20th, 2010, 06:50 PM   #1133
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It is the home of football! Don't you think 52 years is long enough to wait for a country who gave birth to the sport?
I've been saying the same thing for the longest.

If Mexico can host two WC's in a 16-year span, why can't England get one in the last half-century?

That said, I would prefer to see a British Isles WC, not just England. There's some awesome venues in Scotland, Wales and Ireland that don't deserve to be left in the dark.
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Old May 20th, 2010, 07:09 PM   #1134
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England hosted EURO 1996 . It's not a WC, but still a huge football event. So it's not 52 years .
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Old May 20th, 2010, 07:34 PM   #1135
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Well, it is, because we're talking about the world cup.
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Old May 20th, 2010, 07:35 PM   #1136
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The problem with the FA (and the UK in general) is we are too nice. All this English fair play stuff was all well and good in the 19th Century when we were THE superpower but nowadays other countries use it against us all the time. We need to be more ruthless like the Russians or Americans. The fact still remains that the FA have the power (although they've been giving it away for along time) to bring FIFA to their knees. It's embarrassing that we are forced to beg for votes. It's time the FA stood up to FIFA and UEFA. Of course it won't happen but it would be nice if the Lions roared for once. International Football Association Board
MORE RUTHLESS! You cant know very much of what goes on in this country behind closed doors then! Its just that we have been better at hiding it (what we do on the sly) than most other countries and we dont have as much finance as those two countries you mentioned so we can bribe less! As far as trying it on we are as corrupt as anyone-its more of a question of find me someone who isn't corrupt and you have found a needle in a haystack.
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Old May 20th, 2010, 10:07 PM   #1137
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That said, I would prefer to see a British Isles WC, not just England. There's some awesome venues in Scotland, Wales and Ireland that don't deserve to be left in the dark.
It gets very sticky when you get into that though - the other home nations don't like that sort of thing you know!
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Old May 20th, 2010, 10:54 PM   #1138
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A British WC would be (have been) awesome-

London, Wembley 90k Final QF GR
Cardiff, Millennium 75k SF QF GR
Manchester, Old Trafford 80k SF QF GR
Glasgow, Ibrox park 65k QF GR
Edingburgh, Murrayfield 60k GR
Liverpool, New Anfield 75K GR
Newcastle, St James Park 60k GR
BirminghamVilla Park, 50k GR
Sheffield, Bramall Lane, 44k GR
Portsmouth, Fratton Park 40k GR
London, New white Hart Lane 60k GR
Belfast, Windsor Park, 50k GR
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Old May 21st, 2010, 02:14 PM   #1139
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A British WC would be (have been) awesome-

Edingburgh, Murrayfield 60k GR
Why would Murrayfield lose 8,000 seats?
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Old May 21st, 2010, 11:30 PM   #1140
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A British WC would be (have been) awesome-

London, Wembley 90k Final QF GR
Cardiff, Millennium 75k SF QF GR
Manchester, Old Trafford 80k SF QF GR
Glasgow, Ibrox park 65k QF GR
Edingburgh, Murrayfield 60k GR
Liverpool, New Anfield 75K GR
Newcastle, St James Park 60k GR
BirminghamVilla Park, 50k GR
Sheffield, Bramall Lane, 44k GR
Portsmouth, Fratton Park 40k GR
London, New white Hart Lane 60k GR
Belfast, Windsor Park, 50k GR
Fifa dont want 4team host 1 world cup
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